dear manhatter

[Rage Against the McKee]

manhatter, i am reading a book an am on page 67.

it appears you are also on page 67. 

 

[Kat Kid]

manhatter, i am reading a book an am on page 67.

it appears you are also on page 67. 

Yes. 

[CHONGS]

you guys are way off on tech and osu, but for the most part I agree

[The Manhatter]

you wanna know what will piss me off, fatty?

Snyder will start the season doing the following...

1) he'll start Colt Freeze at guard.  We'll be getting killed there but he won't budge for a few games.  Instead of seeing the kid can't cut it right away and moving players around...about the only time he's done that is when he had injuries to the OL.  everybody talks about how, under snyder, OL play several different positions so we can get the best 5 on the field.  well, freeze isn't in the best 5 right now.  What he should do is move Lucas to LT, slide Foketi inside, and move Taylor over to RG...something!  It's not like we're running the 49ers offense w/ Montana slinging it...in this offense the LT isn't as important as it is in some places.  Go max protect w/ the TE on the left side to help untill he's ready...I don't know.

2) he'll keep true freshman ends that will contribute later in the season off the field against the first two opponents when those are the games they SHOULD be seeing action.  Instead it will be a farewell party for guys like Peyton Kirk to get action.  

3) he'll wait another year to move Kyle Klein to LB when he could probably help there much quicker.  These types of moves are too slow with Snyder.  He believes so much in continuous improvement that he goes overboard and it isn't until season 3 we have a kid like Jordy Nelson moving to wide receiver.

Those kinds of things just drive me effing bananas.

[The Manhatter]

you guys are way off on tech and osu, but for the most part I agree

there isn't a pirate running the tech ship.  Tuberville's an old school coach.  It was one thing to go down to Lubbock w/ a high octane spread that led the nation every year...it's quite another to face another old school coach.  Pitting old school against old school I like our guy better.

[KITNfury]

you guys are way off on tech and osu, but for the most part I agree

there isn't a pirate running the tech ship.  Tuberville's an old school coach.  It was one thing to go down to Lubbock w/ a high octane spread that led the nation every year...it's quite another to face another old school coach.  Pitting old school against old school I like our guy better.

At KSU, we'll out old-school you if you're and old-schooler.

[CHONGS]

you guys are way off on tech and osu, but for the most part I agree

there isn't a pirate running the tech ship.  Tuberville's an old school coach.  It was one thing to go down to Lubbock w/ a high octane spread that led the nation every year...it's quite another to face another old school coach.  Pitting old school against old school I like our guy better.

But the talent level at tech will far surpass us very soon.  Even if you think Bill is a batter coach (at this point in time) than Tommy (which is highly debatable), I don't think he's so much better that it will make up for the imminent talent gap.   I think something very similar is happening at Okie State as well. 

How I see it:

Texas, OU, TTech, Ok St

Missouri, KSU, Texas A&M, Baylor

KU, ISU

We won't get blown out by Tech you are right, but it will be clear by watching the game that we aren't going to be a physical match for them either.  We shouldn't expect to beat them as long as the two programs maintain their current inertia.  I for one won't be too upset to lose to Tech.  We should be able to beat Mizzou, Bayor, Texas A&M, KU and ISU more than often than not though.  A healthy, but not dominant KSU program should go 4-1 against that group, and maybe 1-3 against upper group. Above .500 in conference should be our goal, along with not letting more teams pass us programs.

[bakerman]

Are you serious or just delirious? Do you even remember pre-1989?  It does take a little time to
correct the Prince pile of ..............!  Oh, I know we live in an instantaneous results society, but this attitude
is beyond the pale.  You do understand K-State does and always will have a terrific challenge in recruiting
blue chip players.

what is this?!? I don't even.... 

tell us what life was like back then, we'll gather round the family room and you sit in the rocking chair. have the misses turn the radio down please.

[SdK]

Are you serious or just delirious? Do you even remember pre-1989?  It does take a little time to
correct the Prince pile of ..............!  Oh, I know we live in an instantaneous results society, but this attitude
is beyond the pale.  You do understand K-State does and always will have a terrific challenge in recruiting
blue chip players.

what is this?!? I don't even.... 

tell us what life was like back then, we'll gather round the family room and you sit in the rocking chair. have the misses turn the radio down please.

Some people wear this as a badge of honor. I don't understand why. It's gross and that was two decades ago. Do you rough ridin' remember the last twenty years? They are more relevant than the goddamn 80s.

[DQ12]

you guys are way off on tech and osu, but for the most part I agree

there isn't a pirate running the tech ship.  Tuberville's an old school coach.  It was one thing to go down to Lubbock w/ a high octane spread that led the nation every year...it's quite another to face another old school coach.  Pitting old school against old school I like our guy better.

But the talent level at tech will far surpass us very soon.  Even if you think Bill is a batter coach (at this point in time) than Tommy (which is highly debatable), I don't think he's so much better that it will make up for the imminent talent gap.   I think something very similar is happening at Okie State as well. 

How I see it:

Texas, OU, TTech, Ok St

Missouri, KSU, Texas A&M, Baylor

KU, ISU

We won't get blown out by Tech you are right, but it will be clear by watching the game that we aren't going to be a physical match for them either.  We shouldn't expect to beat them as long as the two programs maintain their current inertia.  I for one won't be too upset to lose to Tech.  We should be able to beat Mizzou, Bayor, Texas A&M, KU and ISU more than often than not though.  A healthy, but not dominant KSU program should go 4-1 against that group, and maybe 1-3 against upper group. Above .500 in conference should be our goal, along with not letting more teams pass us programs.

How you include TTech in the upper echelon and A&M in the middle one (along with K-State, for crying out loud) is beyond me.

[KSUBrian]

But the talent level at tech will far surpass us very soon. 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Tech has probably had more talent than KSU ever since the Big 12 was formed.

[Rage Against the McKee]

But the talent level at tech will far surpass us very soon. 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Tech has probably had more talent than KSU ever since the Big 12 was formed.

No

[Rage Against the McKee]

you guys are way off on tech and osu, but for the most part I agree

there isn't a pirate running the tech ship.  Tuberville's an old school coach.  It was one thing to go down to Lubbock w/ a high octane spread that led the nation every year...it's quite another to face another old school coach.  Pitting old school against old school I like our guy better.

But the talent level at tech will far surpass us very soon.  Even if you think Bill is a batter coach (at this point in time) than Tommy (which is highly debatable), I don't think he's so much better that it will make up for the imminent talent gap.   I think something very similar is happening at Okie State as well. 

How I see it:

Texas, OU, TTech, Ok St

Missouri, KSU, Texas A&M, Baylor

KU, ISU

We won't get blown out by Tech you are right, but it will be clear by watching the game that we aren't going to be a physical match for them either.  We shouldn't expect to beat them as long as the two programs maintain their current inertia.  I for one won't be too upset to lose to Tech.  We should be able to beat Mizzou, Bayor, Texas A&M, KU and ISU more than often than not though.  A healthy, but not dominant KSU program should go 4-1 against that group, and maybe 1-3 against upper group. Above .500 in conference should be our goal, along with not letting more teams pass us programs.

How you include TTech in the upper echelon and A&M in the middle one (along with K-State, for crying out loud) is beyond me.

A&M isn't all that great.

[jtksu]

I was thinking we whipped A&M's ass recently?

[Katpappy]

I was thinking we whipped A&M's ass recently?

That's one thing Prince's boys were good at; beating Texas teams... except TT & Baylor. 

[KSUBrian]

But the talent level at tech will far surpass us very soon. 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Tech has probably had more talent than KSU ever since the Big 12 was formed.

No

Don't confuse better team and better coach with better talent.  Up through 2003, KSU was the better team and was better coached.  Talent level on the other hand, TT has been equal or better since the Big 12 was formed.

[hemmy]

Stop pretending k-state had a bunch of 5-heart grandsons out there during DoD.

[jtksu]

TTU was never anything noteworthy until Leach took over.  Even then, it was a flash in the pan scenerio.

[DQ12]

you guys are way off on tech and osu, but for the most part I agree

there isn't a pirate running the tech ship.  Tuberville's an old school coach.  It was one thing to go down to Lubbock w/ a high octane spread that led the nation every year...it's quite another to face another old school coach.  Pitting old school against old school I like our guy better.

But the talent level at tech will far surpass us very soon.  Even if you think Bill is a batter coach (at this point in time) than Tommy (which is highly debatable), I don't think he's so much better that it will make up for the imminent talent gap.   I think something very similar is happening at Okie State as well. 

How I see it:

Texas, OU, TTech, Ok St

Missouri, KSU, Texas A&M, Baylor

KU, ISU

We won't get blown out by Tech you are right, but it will be clear by watching the game that we aren't going to be a physical match for them either.  We shouldn't expect to beat them as long as the two programs maintain their current inertia.  I for one won't be too upset to lose to Tech.  We should be able to beat Mizzou, Bayor, Texas A&M, KU and ISU more than often than not though.  A healthy, but not dominant KSU program should go 4-1 against that group, and maybe 1-3 against upper group. Above .500 in conference should be our goal, along with not letting more teams pass us programs.

How you include TTech in the upper echelon and A&M in the middle one (along with K-State, for crying out loud) is beyond me.

A&M isn't all that great.

They are unequivocally better than Tech this year.  Unequivocally.

[EMAWmeister]

M-I-Z!

[Rage Against the McKee]

you guys are way off on tech and osu, but for the most part I agree

there isn't a pirate running the tech ship.  Tuberville's an old school coach.  It was one thing to go down to Lubbock w/ a high octane spread that led the nation every year...it's quite another to face another old school coach.  Pitting old school against old school I like our guy better.

But the talent level at tech will far surpass us very soon.  Even if you think Bill is a batter coach (at this point in time) than Tommy (which is highly debatable), I don't think he's so much better that it will make up for the imminent talent gap.   I think something very similar is happening at Okie State as well. 

How I see it:

Texas, OU, TTech, Ok St

Missouri, KSU, Texas A&M, Baylor

KU, ISU

We won't get blown out by Tech you are right, but it will be clear by watching the game that we aren't going to be a physical match for them either.  We shouldn't expect to beat them as long as the two programs maintain their current inertia.  I for one won't be too upset to lose to Tech.  We should be able to beat Mizzou, Bayor, Texas A&M, KU and ISU more than often than not though.  A healthy, but not dominant KSU program should go 4-1 against that group, and maybe 1-3 against upper group. Above .500 in conference should be our goal, along with not letting more teams pass us programs.

How you include TTech in the upper echelon and A&M in the middle one (along with K-State, for crying out loud) is beyond me.

A&M isn't all that great.

They are unequivocally better than Tech this year.  Unequivocally.

True, but as a program, Tech is arguably in better shape with Tuberville. I really wouldn't have Tech up there, either. It's Texas, OU, and OSU. If Texas goes 6-6 or worse this year, Mack gets canned, and their spot is in jeopardy. I'm sure Mack won't let that happen, though.

[Clevey 2 Times]

you wanna know what will piss me off, fatty?

Snyder will start the season doing the following...

1) he'll start Colt Freeze at guard.  We'll be getting killed there but he won't budge for a few games.  Instead of seeing the kid can't cut it right away and moving players around...about the only time he's done that is when he had injuries to the OL.  everybody talks about how, under snyder, OL play several different positions so we can get the best 5 on the field.  well, freeze isn't in the best 5 right now.  What he should do is move Lucas to LT, slide Foketi inside, and move Taylor over to RG...something!  It's not like we're running the 49ers offense w/ Montana slinging it...in this offense the LT isn't as important as it is in some places.  Go max protect w/ the TE on the left side to help untill he's ready...I don't know.

2) he'll keep true freshman ends that will contribute later in the season off the field against the first two opponents when those are the games they SHOULD be seeing action.  Instead it will be a farewell party for guys like Peyton Kirk to get action.  

3) he'll wait another year to move Kyle Klein to LB when he could probably help there much quicker.  These types of moves are too slow with Snyder.  He believes so much in continuous improvement that he goes overboard and it isn't until season 3 we have a kid like Jordy Nelson moving to wide receiver.

Those kinds of things just drive me effing bananas.

 

I want to thank Manhatter for making the slow KSU sports summer entertaining and intellectual.

Wasn't Jordy moved his sophomore year?

Jermaine Moreira was our leading WR (40ish catches) the year before Jordy was moved, which I think supports your point regardless of the year Jordy switched. Pretty sure Davin Davis was the 3rd WR.

[PowercatPat]

Davin Dennis, not Davis.

[W.Churchill]

From Phil Steele:
"Missouri returns four OL starters and 9 of top ten and should improve once again."
"Missouri returns three DL starters and 7 of top 8 along with highly regarded JC.  I look for much improvement."
As they say, "it all starts up front". 

Steele Power Poll ratings: Missouri, 28.....KSU 56
Last year: Missouri 28.......KSU 66...................end of year Sagarin ratings: Missouri 17.....KSU 59

[Stevesie60]

I want to thank Manhatter for making the slow KSU sports summer entertaining and intellectual.

This.