Author Topic: What is it going to take for us to "get back?" (Read 8351 times)

CHONGS · « **Reply #25 on:** July 08, 2011, 05:34:24 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 05:28:25 PM

Seems like Snyds has a decent track record with leaving things better than he found them. Hell, isn't Whitney even married now?

There is one data point in your record, and frankly back to back last place finishes in your division isn't something I would consider that much improved.

( yes yes yes better than worst of all time blah blah blah, but seriously last place is last place)

jtksu · « **Reply #26 on:** July 08, 2011, 05:37:39 PM »

And Prince took the the 06 team to a bowl, so we obviously weren't nearly as bad as you try to pretend. CCG, 2 bad years, Texas Bowl. How many times had that happened pre-Snyder?

CHONGS · « **Reply #27 on:** July 08, 2011, 05:46:55 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 05:37:39 PM

And Prince took the the 06 team to a bowl, so we obviously weren't nearly as bad as you try to pretend. CCG, 2 bad years, Texas Bowl. How many times had that happened pre-Snyder?

listen, last place is last place. The talent level that Bill brought in in 02, 03, and 04 was terrible and trending downwards very fast.

was the program in 2005 better than being the worst of all time? yes
was it better than being the worst in the big 12? questionable

jtksu · « **Reply #28 on:** July 08, 2011, 05:53:32 PM »

Pretty sure we beat KU and Mizzou that year.

CHONGS · « **Reply #29 on:** July 08, 2011, 05:55:53 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 05:53:32 PM

Pretty sure we beat KU and Mizzou that year.

yeah and we beat texas in 06 and 07, did that make our program better than theirs?

kougar24 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:09:11 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 05:53:32 PM

Pretty sure we beat KU and Mizzou that year.

nothing more tuckish (suck it Belvis!) than using head-to-head as the sole evaluation of one team vs. another.

jtksu · « **Reply #31 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:13:01 PM »

Yeah, we should really invent some sort of computer program to let us know which team is better. This whole "playing each other" crap is way overrated.

CHONGS · « **Reply #32 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:20:32 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 06:13:01 PM

Yeah, we should really invent some sort of computer program to let us know which team is better. This whole "playing each other" crap is way overrated.

key word is "program" not "team"

furthermore, I know you know the transitive property breaks down pretty fast when you only play one game a year.

jtksu · « **Reply #33 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:45:07 PM »

Koougs said team, not program. And would the transitive prop still be useful if, say, we were to beat UT repeatedly?

CHONGS · « **Reply #34 on:** July 08, 2011, 07:06:04 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 06:45:07 PM

Koougs said team, not program. And would the transitive prop still be useful if, say, we were to beat UT repeatedly?

Well kougs is an idiot. Trans prop works better in this case if the teams have similar conference records and repeated head to head beatings

HeinBallz · « **Reply #35 on:** July 08, 2011, 07:24:58 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 05:37:39 PM

And Prince took the the 06 team to a bowl, so we obviously weren't nearly as bad as you try to pretend. CCG, 2 bad years, Texas Bowl. How many times had that happened pre-Snyder?

Prince took the 06 team to a shitty bowl after a shitty record with a future NFL coach running the D and a future D1 coach running the O.

Cire · « **Reply #36 on:** July 08, 2011, 07:25:26 PM »

Areturn to a run happy big 12 and nfl talent on both sides of the ball

Bill Clarahan · « **Reply #37 on:** July 08, 2011, 07:59:01 PM »

Sorry, I kinda skipped over the discussion part of this thread to answer the root question, Pete. I'm thinkin we need a dozen diamonds in the rough. What do I win!!1!

Skipper44 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 09, 2011, 12:27:11 PM »

A DoD level DC is ideal - Levitt would have been a home run IMO.

A more realistic hope is a Bielema type AC hire. I do not feel great about OB's ability to do either

PowercatPat · « **Reply #39 on:** July 09, 2011, 01:17:30 PM »

A miracle.

wetwillie · « **Reply #40 on:** July 09, 2011, 01:28:28 PM »

Divorcing ourselves from the snyder family completely

W.Churchill · « **Reply #41 on:** July 09, 2011, 01:50:28 PM »

"One Hundred Year Floods" [which is sort of what the DOD was] require a number of very unusual circumstances happening simultaneously.
At this point it would require OU, UT, aTm TT and OSU to all suffer USC level NCAA sanctions at the same time which might lead Patterson to see some hope in bringing in the type of recruits he would need to win at his alma mater.

5601js · « **Reply #42 on:** July 09, 2011, 01:59:01 PM »

Talent and coaches that are able to 1) recruit the talent, and 2) develop the talent once they make it to KSU.

Winters · « **Reply #43 on:** July 09, 2011, 02:09:22 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on July 09, 2011, 01:28:28 PM

Divorcing ourselves from the snyder family completely

Bingo

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #44 on:** July 09, 2011, 03:57:01 PM »

Brian Butler finding at least 2 5* linemen.

kougar24 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 09, 2011, 04:16:08 PM »

Quote from: Chingon on July 08, 2011, 07:06:04 PM

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 06:45:07 PM
Koougs said team, not program. And would the transitive prop still be useful if, say, we were to beat UT repeatedly?
Well kougs is an idiot. Trans prop works better in this case if the teams have similar conference records and repeated head to head beatings

i said "team" instead of "program" intentionally, fuckstick; K-State actually has had better teams than Texas in certain years, for instance, but we will never have a better program. And a single head-to-head matchup is a horrible sole indicator for either one.

nicname · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2011, 05:50:37 AM »

Quote from: HeinBallz on July 08, 2011, 07:24:58 PM

Quote from: jtksu on July 08, 2011, 05:37:39 PM
And Prince took the the 06 team to a bowl, so we obviously weren't nearly as bad as you try to pretend. CCG, 2 bad years, Texas Bowl. How many times had that happened pre-Snyder?

Prince took the 06 team to a shitty bowl after a shitty record with a future NFL coach running the D and a future D1 coach running the O.

Yeah, and the 06 team was going to be decent whether Snyder or Prince was the coach. Prince screwed himself by being a d-bag and running off a great staff. He further cemented his abortion of a tenure by laughable replacement hires.

AppleJack · « **Reply #47 on:** July 10, 2011, 09:44:56 AM »

I am 100% convinced the most important thing to get the meow cats back to relevance is an Afro-American quarterback. it doesnt matter if he can throw, its all about swagger. God I love black QB's. Anyone care to disagree? Racist.

_33 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 10, 2011, 05:41:59 PM »

Quote from: AppleJack on July 10, 2011, 09:44:56 AM

I am 100% convinced the most important thing to get the meow cats back to relevance is an Afro-American quarterback. it doesnt matter if he can throw, its all about swagger. God I love black QB's. Anyone care to disagree? Racist.

LHC Bill Snyder disagrees according to d_scott

Quote from: d_scott

In addition to Tyler Lockett and Morgan Burns, Daniel Sams as a WR has impressed Collin Klein.

Playboy X · « **Reply #49 on:** July 10, 2011, 05:50:07 PM »

I thought this was a K-State FAN website. Sounds like some of you losers don't support that same team as I do, K-STATE.

PBX