Author Topic: Bubba Starling (Read 49565 times)

Kat Kid · « **Reply #50 on:** June 06, 2011, 11:05:45 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on June 06, 2011, 10:59:37 PM

KC'eo? What are we supposed to take from that post? And I believe Prep H makes some stuff to help with your raging butt hurt.

Recap:

I say Royals made an error. I later clarify.

You start setting up a straw man that my argument is that Bubba is playing football. You make an absurd argument that Bubba has Boras by the balls because he can go play college football and then Boras won't get paid.

I post a list of players that Boras has signed. I post another link showing Boras is prolific and gets huge contracts.

You make some ridiculous argument about how Boras isn't actually negotiating with the Royals because they can't talk face to face.

I think there is a small chance Bubba doesn't sign. I think there is a large chance he signs for more money than he is worth and the Royals look stupid.

jtksu · « **Reply #51 on:** June 06, 2011, 11:17:22 PM »

Boras can't contact the Royals at all. A high school kid drafted in the top of the first round has little negotiating ability because everyone knows that him going to college is very unlikely. And I never once insinuated that Bubba has Boras by the balls. I said that Boras will likely advise that Bubba sign because A) Boras wants his cut and B) Bubba is unlikely to improve his stock by going to college. Hell, the dude could blow out a knee and never see a dime. OR he could take the guaranteed bucks and fall back on college football if his baseball career falters.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #52 on:** June 06, 2011, 11:34:13 PM »

Are you arguing with someone that made the argument that Bubba isn't going to sign? Because that isn't my argument.

jtksu · « **Reply #53 on:** June 07, 2011, 12:47:59 AM »

No, your argument seems to be that the Royals shouldn't have taken Bubba because he is being advised by Boras and will end up paying him somewhere around a 7 mil bonus. (Hosmer got 6 in 08). Also, you think the Royals need more pitching, even though their entire bullpen is basically rookies and their top prospects are heavily weighted towards pitching. (Dayton has publically stated that he believes you can never have enough pitching prospects.) You seem to ignore the possible gate impact of a hometown player. (Joe Mauer. Who originally signed with FSU to play qb.) Oh, and there's like 60 more picks for them to draft pitchers.

EMAWmeister · « **Reply #54 on:** June 07, 2011, 02:26:56 AM »

Kid is a ridiculous athlete, but I've heard from a few kids he played fball with at GE that he's very TCish.

Could be a reason why the best athlete this metro area has seen in a while never won a championship in a weak state.

Hope he pans out and excited to see what he does, but his attitude is somewhat concerning.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #55 on:** June 07, 2011, 06:37:48 AM »

Quote from: jtksu on June 07, 2011, 12:47:59 AM

No, your argument seems to be that the Royals shouldn't have taken Bubba because he is being advised by Boras and will end up paying him somewhere around a 7 mil bonus. (Hosmer got 6 in 08). Also, you think the Royals need more pitching, even though their entire bullpen is basically rookies and their top prospects are heavily weighted towards pitching. (Dayton has publically stated that he believes you can never have enough pitching prospects.) You seem to ignore the possible gate impact of a hometown player. (Joe Mauer. Who originally signed with FSU to play qb.) Oh, and there's like 60 more picks for them to draft pitchers.

Look, if this kid turns out to be Joe Mauer then you will be proven right regardless of where his mother birthed him. Sure, he still won't be at a premium defensive position but if he is an MVP/All-Star then I guess that would be pretty awesome for the Royals.

I said I don't think this pick is going to be the home run everyone is celebrating. The idea that the Royals shouldn't take an arm top 5 because Nate Adcock, Tim Collins and Aaron Crow are in the bullpen is absurd. Btw, lots of pitchers get injured/fail even top 5 guys and the Royals track record of getting free agent pitchers is atrocious. They need to take lots of arms. Everything else was you flailing around.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #56 on:** June 07, 2011, 07:40:51 AM »

Quote from: Tortuga on June 06, 2011, 11:05:45 PM

Quote from: jtksu on June 06, 2011, 10:59:37 PM
KC'eo? What are we supposed to take from that post? And I believe Prep H makes some stuff to help with your raging butt hurt.

Recap:

I say Royals made an error. I later clarify.

You start setting up a straw man that my argument is that Bubba is playing football. You make an absurd argument that Bubba has Boras by the balls because he can go play college football and then Boras won't get paid.

I post a list of players that Boras has signed. I post another link showing Boras is prolific and gets huge contracts.

You make some ridiculous argument about how Boras isn't actually negotiating with the Royals because they can't talk face to face.

I think there is a small chance Bubba doesn't sign. I think there is a large chance he signs for more money than he is worth and the Royals look stupid.

Lol at trying to predict how much starling is "worth" and an even bigger lol at worrying about the royals looking stupid for signing him. Dear lord tortuga.

pissclams · « **Reply #57 on:** June 07, 2011, 07:48:59 AM »

i've never seen someone get destroyed as badly as gooch has in this thread. incredible. well done gooch.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #58 on:** June 07, 2011, 10:56:34 AM »

This kid has the same odds of ever going to college as the drunk 8 year old juggalo. He will sign. This is the highest he will ever go and he isn't an NFL prospect.

Jackstraw · « **Reply #59 on:** June 07, 2011, 11:15:37 AM »

Quote from: pissclams on June 07, 2011, 07:48:59 AM

i've never seen someone get destroyed as badly as gooch has in this thread. incredible. well done gooch.

No kidding, after reading all of his post it's almost tough to pick out which one is the most rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I love how much emphasis he puts on the fact that Starling is advised by Boras. It's like he completely forgot that 4 out of the last 5 years we have chosen a Boras client, and have signed every one of them. KC even kind of threw Boras a bone last year by selecting Colon as early as they did, and Boras paid them back by having Colon sign so early on in the process.

jtksu · « **Reply #60 on:** June 07, 2011, 01:00:04 PM »

CF is a premium defensive position.

joda · « **Reply #61 on:** June 09, 2011, 06:24:29 PM »

From everything I've seen, the Royals where planning on taking one top pitchers, but none fell to them. At that point I think taking Starling was probably the best choice at that point. There was a ton of risk involved with most of the players left (there always is in about 99.9% of baseball draftees) while Bubba probably represented the highest ceiling of anyone left, possibly of any player in this years draft. I've seen him described to as close as major league ready defensively as someone can be who has not focused exclusively on baseball so at the very least the Royals will be getting a quality defensive player at a premium defensive postition and the speed to steal bases. The biggest concern with him is that he hasn't faced high quality pitching, but he's pretty much destroyed the pitching he has faced and any 18 year old is going to need some work batting wise.

As far as signing him goes, they Royals have actually had a decent relationship with Boras over the last few years. Not great (no one has a great relationship with Boras, just whoever throws out the most money) but good enough that he's at least let the Royals in the door as far a negotiating goes. If he doesn't sign the Royals would get a equal pick next year so all the people saying that Starling isn't any good could then complain the Royals didn't sign him and the Royals could grab someone else next year.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #62 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:40:21 PM »

Is Bubba at voluntary workouts in Lincoln?

jtksu · « **Reply #63 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:42:11 PM »

They mentioned that during a Royals broadcast a couple days ago. Said the Royals weren't worried though.

CNS · « **Reply #64 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:43:25 PM »

Quote from: Tortuga on July 17, 2011, 02:40:21 PM

Is Bubba at voluntary workouts in Lincoln?

If so, it is as of no more than 3 or 4 days ago. He was quoted on monday on 810 as not being there and said something about the Royals "not wanting me up there".

If he is, it has to be more about Boras' negotiating leverage than him not wanting to take the $6M for playing a few years in AA ball.

I did hear that he is enrolled in some online Nubb courses though.

wetwillie · « **Reply #65 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:48:05 PM »

I have really low mlb draft iq but wouldn't this be a pretty unusual move to shun the 6 million?

jtksu · « **Reply #66 on:** July 17, 2011, 03:15:09 PM »

Yeah, especially considering he can always go back and play for Nubb if baseball doesn't work out.

steve dave · « **Reply #67 on:** July 17, 2011, 03:57:41 PM »

he was on campus last week. don't know if he was working out or not. would be dumb for him not to be there. boras isn't dumb.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #68 on:** July 17, 2011, 04:16:14 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on July 17, 2011, 03:15:09 PM

Yeah, especially considering he can always go back and play for Nubb if baseball doesn't work out.

Maybe he's pulling an Elway?

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #69 on:** July 17, 2011, 05:48:11 PM »

Quote from: Tortuga on July 17, 2011, 04:16:14 PM

Quote from: jtksu on July 17, 2011, 03:15:09 PM
Yeah, especially considering he can always go back and play for Nubb if baseball doesn't work out.

Maybe he's pulling an Elway?

If he goes to college, doesn't he have to wait 3 years to reenter the draft?

jtksu · « **Reply #70 on:** July 17, 2011, 07:09:27 PM »

He could go juco and be eligible next year. Kinda doubt he would actually improve on his draft selection spot though. And didn't Elway threaten to play pro ball after college because he didn't want to play for the Browns? Bubba is actually a huge Royals fan so that analogy seems wrong to me.

The1BigWillie · « **Reply #71 on:** July 17, 2011, 08:46:24 PM »

I hope he breaks his leg like really bad and is stuck in Nebraska forever.

MadCat · « **Reply #72 on:** July 18, 2011, 12:41:51 AM »

Surprised Nubb has online classes. They should learn to walk before they try to run.

steve dave · « **Reply #73 on:** July 18, 2011, 07:24:50 AM »

he's not playing football dummies

pissclams · « **Reply #74 on:** July 18, 2011, 07:50:47 AM »

can't wait to see him play this fall against some of the best that the big 10 has to offer. i bet this kid stays at nubb for at least two seasons and really spends some time tearing up the gridiron.