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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2011, 10:10:40 PM »
They have signed well because they have been drafting on signability. They passed on that kid from Fullerton because they knew they couldn't sign him.

That's actually not necessarily correct.  They have actually been building the farm system by paying for young talent (especially the foreign guys) that was perceived as "overpriced" and too risky for the money.

Dayton Moore will pay for players.  He just won't pay for college players.  It's a prudent strategy.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2011, 10:11:17 PM »
I don't you quite understand the uniqueness of this situation.   If he plays for Nubb, Boras will get zero dollars.  Sure, Bubba might decide to use Boras again in 3 or 4 yrs, if he plays college baseball and decides to play it professionally at that point but what are the odds of him being picked higher than #5?  If Bubba was drafted in the later rounds, the temptation to go to college may be higher but he won't be able to turn down the kind of money he will be offered.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2011, 10:15:16 PM »
I don't you quite understand the uniqueness of this situation.   If he plays for Nubb, Boras will get zero dollars.  Sure, Bubba might decide to use Boras again in 3 or 4 yrs, if he plays college baseball and decides to play it professionally at that point but what are the odds of him being picked higher than #5?  If Bubba was drafted in the later rounds, the temptation to go to college may be higher but he won't be able to turn down the kind of money he will be offered.

Normally, people cringe when they hear "Boras".  In this instance, I think it's a big positive for the Royals.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2011, 10:20:29 PM »
I don't you quite understand the uniqueness of this situation.   If he plays for Nubb, Boras will get zero dollars.  Sure, Bubba might decide to use Boras again in 3 or 4 yrs, if he plays college baseball and decides to play it professionally at that point but what are the odds of him being picked higher than #5?  If Bubba was drafted in the later rounds, the temptation to go to college may be higher but he won't be able to turn down the kind of money he will be offered.

Did you even read my first post or listen to yourself?  That is the criticism you dunce.  That Boras/Bubba have a lot of leverage and it is my opinion that they should continue to stockpile arms and spend their money better.  And you seem pretty sure about what is going on in the mind of an 18 year old named Bubba.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2011, 10:28:40 PM »
Every top draft pick has a lot of leverage.  Every one.  Bubba has less than most though because, if Boras wants to get paid he needs to sign.  Boras won't have the luxury of telling his player to play college baseball, go back to college baseball, or go play Indy ball for a year.    It's either sign now or go play football.  (Which he could still do down the road, with millions in his pocket.)  Plus, Bubba doesn't have the kind of pull that a Strasburg or Harper did because he hasn't proven himself at higher levels yet.  A high school kid drafted this early has basically zero reason to not sign because the money won't get any better down the road.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2011, 10:30:42 PM »
:lol: at thinking Boras needs the money.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2011, 10:32:42 PM »
:lol: at you for thinking that Boras is in it for anything besides the money.  You really think that dude takes on charity cases and doesn't care about getting paid?  Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2011, 10:33:38 PM »
Every top draft pick has a lot of leverage.  Every one.  Bubba has less than most though because, if Boras wants to get paid he needs to sign.  Boras won't have the luxury of telling his player to play college baseball, go back to college baseball, or go play Indy ball for a year.    It's either sign now or go play football.  (Which he could still do down the road, with millions in his pocket.)  Plus, Bubba doesn't have the kind of pull that a Strasburg or Harper did because he hasn't proven himself at higher levels yet.  A high school kid drafted this early has basically zero reason to not sign because the money won't get any better down the road.


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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2011, 10:34:15 PM »
Hoch, Moose, Hosmer - all Boras. Bubba will sign. Prob $6 mil or so.
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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2011, 10:35:03 PM »
:lol: at thinking Boras needs the money.

Obviously, he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart and he has no desire whether or not the players he represents sign.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2011, 10:35:29 PM »
Seems like Boras gets a lot of kids to sign.  Where's the list of his clients that didn't sign?

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2011, 10:35:38 PM »
:lol: at you for thinking that Boras is in it for anything besides the money.  You really think that dude takes on charity cases and doesn't care about getting paid?  respect.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/05/which-agency-had-the-biggest-offseason.html

Boras Corporation: $444.475MM.  Boras is back on top after ranking third last winter.  Contracts for Jayson Werth, Adrian Beltre, Carlos Gonzalez, and Rafael Soriano accounted for much of the total.

(2009)  Boras Corporation: $202.23MM.  Matt Holliday was Boras' major contract this offseason.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2011, 10:37:50 PM »
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Hochevar was selected by Los Angeles Dodgers in the 39th round (1,191st overall) of the 2002 MLB amateur entry draft, but decided on college instead. Hochevar attended University of Tennessee. In 2005, he struck out a school record 154 batters while posting a 15-3 record and 2.26 ERA for the season. He was named the Southeastern Conference Pitcher of the Year and Roger Clemens Award.[2]

The Dodgers would select Hochevar again, this time in the first round (40th overall) of the 2005 draft. After heated, desperate negotiations between the Dodgers, Hochevar, and his agent Scott Boras, Hochevar suddenly switched agents to Matt Sosnick, accepted a $2.98 million signing bonus from scouting director Logan White, then returned to Boras the next day and reneged on the deal. Several months of lukewarm talks continued with Hochevar pitching in an independent league (where he struck out 34 batters in 22.2 innings), but amidst much bitterness, the two sides never came close to reaching a new agreement.

He re-entered the draft again in 2006 and was selected first overall by the Kansas City Royals.  His agent Scott Boras then negotiated a contract on his behalf and Hochever signed with the Royals.


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The Royals quit drafting guys based on "signability" when Dayton Moore was hired.  Hosmer, Moustakas, Crow, Melville (1st round guy who slipped b/c of "signability"), were all high priced guys with demanding agents.  I'm pretty sure all, except Crow, are Boras guys.

Your point is and was incorrect.  Recent history shows the royals draft AND SIGN Boras represented players with reckless abandon.
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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2011, 10:37:56 PM »
:lol: at you for thinking that Boras is in it for anything besides the money.  You really think that dude takes on charity cases and doesn't care about getting paid?  Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Acutally Boras has a history of talking his players into going to college.  I was surprised when i heard this as well, but apparently he's done it more than once...he uses it as leverage to get his players the $$$$ he thinks they deserve.  He's a sports fans worst nightmare and I hate the prick but he's the best in the biz.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2011, 10:40:17 PM »
If playing college baseball could help get his player more money, that's a smart move.  Kinda hard to improve on #5 though.  Plus, Bubba will be playing college football.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2011, 10:41:01 PM »
Would be playing football, that is.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2011, 10:41:11 PM »
Like the pick. Think it will work out well. People are just weird about it because he is a Kansas kid that they have heard of. Make him from California with a fball scholarship offer to usc and people are happy. Kansas. God damn guys. We do have nice things every once and a while.

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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2011, 10:43:38 PM »
If playing college baseball could help get his player more money, that's a smart move.  Kinda hard to improve on #5 though.  Plus, Bubba will be playing college football.

Boras will start the price off near $10 million and I predict the Royals end up signing for over an $7 million in signing bonus over 5 years.  It will look silly.

HTH

http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras
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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2011, 10:47:21 PM »
You know the Royals won't actually be negotiating with Boras, right?  He can't even speak directly to them.

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« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2011, 10:48:07 PM »
You know the Royals won't actually be negotiating with Boras, right?  He can't even speak directly to them.

Wow.  Game changer.  Cracked the case.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2011, 10:50:08 PM »
Didn't you just post a link to an article about negotiating with Boras?  :confused:

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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2011, 10:52:01 PM »
Didn't you just post a link to an article about negotiating with Boras?  :confused:

It also includes information about leverage for draftees.  But you didn't read it.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2011, 10:54:17 PM »
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If playing college baseball could help get his player more money, that's a smart move.  Kinda hard to improve on #5 though.  Plus, Bubba will be playing college football.

Boras will start the price off near $10 million and I predict the Royals end up signing for over an $7 million in signing bonus over 5 years.  It will look silly.

HTH

http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras

Am I wrong or did your link just disagree with your argument? Seems like first round highschool boras clients sign. Boras sounds more than amazing though. If I could switch places with anybody in the world. He'd be top 100.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2011, 10:55:27 PM »
:zzz:
If playing college baseball could help get his player more money, that's a smart move.  Kinda hard to improve on #5 though.  Plus, Bubba will be playing college football.

Boras will start the price off near $10 million and I predict the Royals end up signing for over an $7 million in signing bonus over 5 years.  It will look silly.

HTH

http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras

Am I wrong or did your link just disagree with your argument? Seems like first round highschool boras clients sign. Boras sounds more than amazing though. If I could switch places with anybody in the world. He'd be top 100.

Go back and read my first and every other post and stop listening to jtksu being an idiot.

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Re: Bubba Starling
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2011, 10:59:37 PM »
KC'eo?  What are we supposed to take from that post?  And I believe Prep H makes some stuff to help with your raging butt hurt.