Bubba Starling

[ydarg2012]

How long until we make him the next Weeden?

100% My thoughts when a buddy and I were watching the draft and discussing Weeden's career with the Browns.

[jtksu]

If posting old arguments with JTKSU where you are right and he was wrong is a new thing I expect thousands of old threads to be bumped today

I could have quoted other people, but I didn't because I like them.

One day, I'm going to show up at a Pak and shove a lot of dudes heads up other dudes asses.   

[Dugout DickStone]

He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time.  Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting

Moose was a fantastic draft pick. As close to can't-miss as you can get. Not Dayton's fault that Moose didn't pan out. The others you listed are fair, but Moose was universally thought of as a no-risk enormous stud HS prospect.

Aaron Crow has a 0 era this season. Hoch was nails last season (also can't miss prospect). Zimmer hasn't even been started up this year and is expected to be in the rotation next year. Colon is already at AAA.

You have to be pretty clueless about draft pick success rates to say Dayton mumped those up.  We're still reeling from the Allard  Baird days and rushing dudes to the majors.

Whoever drafted Tim Melville gets negative points though.

2 middle relievers is your sign of success?  Stick to the pit

[CNS]

How many miles will Bubba have left when he is grad'ing as a 29y/o QB from Bill Synders Wilwildcats?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time.  Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting

Moose was a fantastic draft pick. As close to can't-miss as you can get. Not Dayton's fault that Moose didn't pan out. The others you listed are fair, but Moose was universally thought of as a no-risk enormous stud HS prospect.

Aaron Crow has a 0 era this season. Hoch was nails last season (also can't miss prospect). Zimmer hasn't even been started up this year and is expected to be in the rotation next year. Colon is already at AAA.

You have to be pretty clueless about draft pick success rates to say Dayton mumped those up.  We're still reeling from the Allard  Baird days and rushing dudes to the majors.

Whoever drafted Tim Melville gets negative points though.

Not sure if serious, specially to bolded points...Colon was drafted in 2010 specifically because he was viewed by GMDM as a guy that would be quick to KC...the fact that he is only in AAA, and is widely panned as a AAAA player is a total indictment on GMDM's drafting skills.

Moose was viewed by several scouts as a "bad body" player by a number of scouts pre-draft...

Crow has a 0 era
Hoch was drafted in the first round twice out of college, pretty sure that qualifies as "can't miss"
Colon - not in the majors within 2.5 years is a disappointment? Okie

[MakeItRain]

If posting old arguments with JTKSU where you are right and he was wrong is a new thing I expect thousands of old threads to be bumped today

I could have quoted other people, but I didn't because I like them.

One day, I'm going to show up at a Pak and shove a lot of dudes heads up other dudes asses.

[EMAWesome]

OK, but I should know better than to talk Royals on this board, especially on the FB board, but whatever...

Aaron Crow has a 0 ERA. This year. In 15 IP.
Now, I'll admit that for a guy whose velocity is down 3+ MPH from last year he has gotten good results in his appearances, but I in no way expect that trend to last much longer.
I'll even ignore that ERA is maybe not even in the top-5 best metrics in which to judge pitchers anymore.

Christian Colon are you SERIOUSLY implying that CC has been a good draft pick? We selected him 4th overall in the 2010 draft, again because GMDM viewed him as a Fast Track to KC type of player. And, for reference, 2010 was 4 years ago, not 2.5. The fact that he is spending his third season in Omaha isn't a feather in GMDM's cap, it is an embarrassingly bad draft pick, from a really good draft that they are hoping that just turns into a serviceable version of Willie Bloomquist some day. Now, we have a 2B under contract for 4 years, a SS under contract for 5 years, and a gaping ginormous hole at 3B that everybody but GMDM & #Yosted has seen coming for 2+ years, and they have had Colon play 3B exactly TWICE in those three seasons, so we can't even hope that he can offer org depth when Moustakas is finally demoted 1,000 or so AB's too late.

Hochevar You are confusing 'safe' with 'can't miss'...GMDM has never taken credit (or blame) the the Hochevar pick because he was still in ATL for the '06 Draft. The '06 draft was orchestrated by JJ Piccolo. They took Hochevar, if for no other reason than there was no GM on duty at that time to pre-negotiate a deal with a kid, so they took the kid that had first round talent, and ZERO leverage so they knew they'd sign him. That draft pick was a safe, signable pick...nothing more.

The single best draft pick that GMDM has made was Greg Holland. The second best draft pick has been Eric Hosmer (could have taken Buster Posey instead of course). Aaron Crow is nothing more than an OK 1st round pick (3.4 WAR in his career...who went 13 picks after Crow? Mike Trout, who already has 22.6 WAR or almost double the WAR than all of GMDM's 1st & 2nd round picks combined). Basically all of his other draft picks have been garbage (though I agree Zimmer has a chance to tun into something, but I don't want to get into the non-injured players we could have taken that year (Wacha) because it will just add more fuel to my argument)

GMDM does one thing exceptionally well...talk David Glass into forking over more $$ than he wants to. He does a couple of things fairly well...like building a bullpen, and finding talent in Latin America (and locking up that talent to below market deals). He is a crap drafter, and a shitty judge of managerial candidates.

 

[bones129]

His crappy judge of managers is his worst fault.

[mocat]

Why did it take mike trout so long to get drafted?

[mocat]

Seems like he was swimming upstream or something

[EMAWmeister]

Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean 

[SPEmaw]

Also, apparently Bubba is also AOT.

What's AOT?

[SPEmaw]

Seems like he was swimming upstream or something

 

[The1BigWillie]

Also, apparently Bubba is also AOT.

What's AOT?

Afraid Of Texas  (Just Like Nubb)

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean 

You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.

I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot. 

[EMAWesome]

Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean 

You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.

I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.

1) Yes, GM's all over baseball are clamoring to hopefully be lucky enough to draft a 7th inning relief pitcher with the 12th pick in the rough ridin' draft.
2) Yes, even first round draft picks don't always make it to the Big Leagues. Do some research on Top 10 College Senior Draft picks like Colon and tell me how many of them have spent 3 seasons in AAA...spoiler alert - between 2006-2012 Christian Colon is the ONLY 4 year college Position Player drafted in the top 10 that hasn't played in the Major Leagues
3) Even if your spot on analysis of Luke Hochevar being considered 'can't miss' is correct (which it isn't), let's look at who we didn't draft that also went int he first round that year...Evan Longoria, Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum, Max Scherzer, hell even a 7th inning bullpen guy like Joba Chamberlain would have been a better #1 Overall pick than Hoch.

You are defending the indefensible 

[EMAWesome]

Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean 

You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.

I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.

1) Yes, GM's all over baseball are clamoring to hopefully be lucky enough to draft a 7th inning relief pitcher with the 12th pick in the rough ridin' draft.
2) Yes, even first round draft picks don't always make it to the Big Leagues. Do some research on Top 10 College Senior Draft picks like Colon and tell me how many of them have spent 3 seasons in AAA...spoiler alert - between 2006-2012 Christian Colon is the ONLY 4 year college Position Player drafted in the top 10 that hasn't played in the Major Leagues
3) Even if your spot on analysis of Luke Hochevar being considered 'can't miss' is correct (which it isn't), let's look at who we didn't draft that also went in the first round that year...Evan Longoria, Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum, Max Scherzer, hell even a 7th inning bullpen guy like Joba Chamberlain would have been a better #1 Overall pick than Hoch.

You are defending the indefensible 

[EMAWmeister]

Bragging about a relief pitcher's ERA 

[Kat Kid]

Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean 

You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.

I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.

Last year the Royals put together what could probably be considered one of the best ever seasons of bullpen work in the history of baseball: 1) tons of innings 2) very few blown leads 3) very low ERA/WHIP etc.

The Royals did not make the playoffs despite there being more teams that made the playoff than ever before.

I'm not saying that bullpens are worthless, I'm just saying that the Tigers and the Red Sox had atrocious bullpens last year and they played each other in the ALCS.

[BushBlister]

stop talking about baseball you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) retards

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean 

You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.

I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.

Last year the Royals put together what could probably be considered one of the best ever seasons of bullpen work in the history of baseball: 1) tons of innings 2) very few blown leads 3) very low ERA/WHIP etc.

The Royals did not make the playoffs despite there being more teams that made the playoff than ever before.

I'm not saying that bullpens are worthless, I'm just saying that the Tigers and the Red Sox had atrocious bullpens last year and they played each other in the ALCS.

And Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, we know.

[Kat Kid]

Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean 

You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.

I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.

Last year the Royals put together what could probably be considered one of the best ever seasons of bullpen work in the history of baseball: 1) tons of innings 2) very few blown leads 3) very low ERA/WHIP etc.

The Royals did not make the playoffs despite there being more teams that made the playoff than ever before.

I'm not saying that bullpens are worthless, I'm just saying that the Tigers and the Red Sox had atrocious bullpens last year and they played each other in the ALCS.

And Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, we know.

also, Russell and Eli Manning x2 and Flacco.

[Katpappy]

Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!!  (not you KK)

[jtksu]

Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!!  (not you KK)

Cause this was made before Bubba chose baseball over the Nubbs.   

[Katpappy]

Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!!  (not you KK)

Cause this was made before Bubba chose baseball over the Nubbs.   

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