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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2010, 07:26:16 PM »
Really kind of embarrassed for this staff and the recruits they're bringing in . . . I wonder when Wooly is going to pop out of the cake neck brace and all.    At this juncture Hill should be charged with about 5 counts of felony fraud.






I heard Spradling was legit.  K-State can definitely use another good shooter with Clemente leaving.  You guys are going to be stacked next year:


PG - Pullen
SG - McGruder
SF - Sutton
PF - Kelly
C - Asprilla

PG - Irving
SG - Spradling
SF - Samuels
PF - Judge
C - Henriquez



That is a deep, talented team.

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #76 on: March 05, 2010, 06:34:30 AM »
I am looking beyond next year.

Spradling might be pretty good, but from what I've seen he's going to have be attached to Scott Greenwalt's hip otherwise he's going to be a complete defensive liability.    I hear the Cloud coach is telling people that Asprilla (sp?) is the real deal . . . but I'll believe it when I see it. 




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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #77 on: March 05, 2010, 06:45:51 AM »
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  Terrified of our 3 point shooting next year.

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #78 on: March 05, 2010, 07:20:45 AM »
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  Terrified of our 3 point shooting next year.

and ball handling.  But yeah, did you read the Big 12 coaches blind quotes?  Will only be worse next year.  :embarrassed:

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #79 on: March 05, 2010, 08:18:35 AM »
If I could change one of Frank's Frankisms it would be his absolute hatred of shooters

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2010, 08:56:40 AM »
If I could change one of Frank's Frankisms it would be his absolute hatred of shooters

This is a KSUFans/goEMAW myth.  Stems from Rusty who gets irritated when Frank won't recruit some unatheletic driveway shooter he gets a crush on.

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2010, 08:58:13 AM »
If I could change one of Frank's Frankisms it would be his absolute hatred of shooters

This is a KSUFans/goEMAW myth.  Stems from Rusty who gets irritated when Frank won't recruit some unatheletic driveway shooter he gets a crush on.

I like to think I had a small part in starting and nurturing this myth as well  :curse:

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2010, 08:59:39 AM »
If I could change one of Frank's Frankisms it would be his absolute hatred of shooters

This is a KSUFans/goEMAW myth.  Stems from Rusty who gets irritated when Frank won't recruit some unatheletic driveway shooter he gets a crush on.

Chris Babb!  :lol:   <-can go into the "dumb things I said last year" thread  (although he might have been better than Awaji - he could have been browned if needed)

But seriously, Frank doesn't value shooting much (especially if it gives up athleticism).  I've accepted it and moved on, because he's shown he can coach some damn good offense without great shooters.

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2010, 09:01:35 AM »
how do we explain Sprads, then?

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2010, 09:02:51 AM »
how do we explain Sprads, then?

I'm waiting to try to until I see what kind of PT he gets....

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2010, 09:03:15 AM »
how do we explain Sprads, then?

we couldn't get the athletic guards we wanted, obviously.

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« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2010, 09:04:27 AM »
how do we explain Sprads, then?

we couldn't get the athletic guards we wanted, obviously.

I hope he misses every FT he shoots at ksu.

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2010, 09:41:45 AM »
martin likes shooters.  he just doesn't feel like he needs as many on the court at one time as michigancat does.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2010, 09:54:36 AM »
martin likes shooters.  he just doesn't feel like he needs as many on the court at one time as michigancat does.

Yeah.  And he doesn't like shooters that only can shoot.

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« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2010, 10:23:43 AM »
Let's put it this way - if Frank has a choice between a guy that can get to the rim and can't shoot to a shooter that can't (assuming everything else is the same), he'll take the guy that can get to the rim every time.  If he has to fill his last scholarship with a driveway shooter or a 6-9 stiff, he'll take the 6-9 stiff every time.

Of course he values shooting somewhat, it's just not a high priority.  Like I said, I'm fine with it - there's more than one way to build a successful basketball team.

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« Reply #90 on: March 05, 2010, 10:28:16 AM »
Let's put it this way - if Frank has a choice between a guy that can get to the rim and can't shoot to a shooter that can't (assuming everything else is the same), he'll take the guy that can get to the rim every time.  If he has to fill his last scholarship with a driveway shooter or a 6-9 stiff, he'll take the 6-9 stiff every time.

Of course he values shooting somewhat, it's just not a high priority.  Like I said, I'm fine with it - there's more than one way to build a successful basketball team.

Very fair. 

I love that Frank doesn't play some traditional brand of basketball.  Makes it much more enjoyable to watch/follow, especially when we are good at how he wants to play.

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2010, 10:47:30 AM »
don't entirely agree.  would spradling have an offer if he couldn't shoot?  you think the staff couldn't have found an unranked 3 star 6'5" athlete with no skills instead?


hell, would pullen and clemente have gotten offers if they couldn't shoot?  other than young (huggins), has martin even recruited a single 1 or 2 that wasn't a decent shooter?
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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #92 on: March 05, 2010, 10:49:12 AM »
don't entirely agree.  would spradling have an offer if he couldn't shoot?  you think the staff couldn't have found an unranked 3 star 6'5" athlete with no skills instead?


hell, would pullen and clemente have gotten offers if they couldn't shoot?  other than young (huggins), has martin even recruited a single 1 or 2 that wasn't a decent shooter?

meh, semantics.

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #93 on: March 05, 2010, 10:56:50 AM »


don't entirely agree.  would spradling have an offer if he couldn't shoot?  you think the staff couldn't have found an unranked 3 star 6'5" athlete with no skills instead?


hell, would pullen and clemente have gotten offers if they couldn't shoot?  other than young (huggins), has martin even recruited a single 1 or 2 that wasn't a decent shooter?

meh, semantics.

sys just tries really hard to be a contrarian - he completely ignored what I said.  Pullen has developed into a nice shooter, but hasn't been above average until this season., but Clemente is about average for his position.  McGruder has been a nice surprise, but he definitely had more of a rep as a slasher w/ a below average jump shot.

Nick Russell is at 18.8%, Martavious Irving is at 28.6%.  If those are decent, well, I guess we agree that Martin places a high value on decent shooting.

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #94 on: March 05, 2010, 11:07:37 AM »
sys just tries really hard to be a contrarian - he completely ignored what I said.  Pullen has developed into a nice shooter, but hasn't been above average until this season., but Clemente is about average for his position.  McGruder has been a nice surprise, but he definitely had more of a rep as a slasher w/ a below average jump shot.

Nick Russell is at 18.8%, Martavious Irving is at 28.6%.  If those are decent, well, I guess we agree that Martin places a high value on decent shooting.

bullshit.  pullen and clemente are going to each have over 200 attempts from 3.  that means they're shooters, %s be damned.  mcgruder is a 2-3, emphasis on 3.  my thesis is that martin values shooting for 1s and combos (or true 2s if he were ever to recruit one, which he won't), not in 3s and 4s.  so, irrelevant.

russell and irving's %s are statistically meaningless, especially russell's.  which you are certainly aware of.  but yeah, if your argument is that he only takes guys that are likely to hit 40%+, then i agree with you.  that isn't what i thought your argument, as expressed here, was.


Let's put it this way - if Frank has a choice between a guy that can get to the rim and can't shoot to a shooter that can't (assuming everything else is the same), he'll take the guy that can get to the rim every time.  If he has to fill his last scholarship with a driveway shooter or a 6-9 stiff, he'll take the 6-9 stiff every time.

Of course he values shooting somewhat, it's just not a high priority.  Like I said, I'm fine with it - there's more than one way to build a successful basketball team.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #95 on: March 05, 2010, 11:13:43 AM »
I'd say Fred Brown wouldn't have been recruited if not for his 40% plus shooting.   

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2010, 11:17:10 AM »
I'd say Fred Brown wouldn't have been recruited if not for his 40% plus shooting.   

And yet it didn't save him from being pushed out

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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #97 on: March 05, 2010, 11:30:35 AM »
I'd say Fred Brown wouldn't have been recruited if not for his 40% plus shooting.   

And yet it didn't save him from being pushed out

True.  But niether did Buchi's explosive leaping ability...and it's not like Energy is athletic.  The true issue that created the "Frank hates shooters" myth (aside from Rusty's influence) is the only quality that Frank displays that is "high school coachish": his annoying habit of playing "hard workers" over talent in the role player minutes.  But how do you argue with results?  If Judge and McGruder got all CM and Colons minutes would we be better?  It would seem so logically, but he's pretty much exceeded anyones expectations with an IQ over 80.  Kinda takes the fun out of arguements like this.

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« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2010, 11:32:06 AM »
Kinda takes the fun out of arguments like this.

it really does.
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Re: Official "How are our recruits/commits doing?" thread
« Reply #99 on: March 05, 2010, 11:35:48 AM »
Kinda takes the fun out of arguments like this.

it really does.

Push through it bros.