That was close Obamabots . . .

[Rage Against the McKee]

and higher unemployment!

Yeah, well I don't really care about that.

[OregonSmock]

Obama loves Bush policies more than Karl Rove.

Yeah, that's why he reformed the entire health care system, reversed Bush's policy on embryonic stem cell research, proposed new regulations on greenhouse gas emissions, reduced troop levels in Iraq, and killed Osama Bin Laden.  He also plans to eliminate tax breaks for oil companies and tax cuts for the top 2% in the near future. 

Why regulate greenhouse gas emissions? Global warming is a hoax.
Health care 

Other than that he's just as much of a war mongering nazi as Bush.
-Still in Iraq and Afghanistan
-Gitmo
-Patriot Act
-Pakistan
-Libya

But cheer on Obamabots, you've been deceived so bad that you can't see how bad you've been deceived

1.  Global warming is not a hoax.  http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/gw-overview/

2.  Over four million children now have health coverage, and millions of people now have a better quality of life because of the health care reform.

3.  Obama already reduced troop levels in Iraq.  However, the situation is complex, and it's not Obama's war - it's Bush's war.   

4.  Afghanistan is another complex issue, and if Obama didn't have the balls to go into Pakistan, we never would have killed Osama bin Laden.

5.  The PATRIOT Act was passed by George W. Bush.  Don't blame Obama for improving its efficiency. 

6.  Libya was handled 100% correctly and 100% responsibly, unlike Iraq, and is an ongoing United Nations-authorized military mission.  The United States is merely playing a supporting role, as we should be. 

[OregonSmock]

and higher unemployment!

wut


 

[pike]

I know you WANT to believe in global warming so you can push your communist agenda, just like those who screwed with the numbers and mumped up the whole science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

and higher unemployment!

wut


 

Are you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? Regulating the air a business puts out directly affects their production. Less production is equal to less jobs.

But of course if cap and trade ever comes to be it won't actually help the air, just pass the costs along to the consumer.

[pike]

And I mean...jesus christ...they admitted to screwing with the global warming data.

"hide the decline"

And the Obamabots are "for" the patriot act now because He made it more efficient? Omg that's rich  

[Rage Against the McKee]

I know you WANT to believe in global warming so you can push your communist agenda, just like those who screwed with the numbers and mumped up the whole science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

and higher unemployment!

wut


 

Are you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? Regulating the air a business puts out directly affects their production. Less production is equal to less jobs.

But of course if cap and trade ever comes to be it won't actually help the air, just pass the costs along to the consumer.

Actually, cap and trade does help the air by placing a cap on carbon emissions. Sure, you can buy more emissions, but there are a finite amount of emissions available for purchase. I'm not necessarily for cap and trade, depending on the system, but saying it does nothing for air quality is just asinine.

[OregonSmock]

I know you WANT to believe in global warming so you can push your communist agenda, just like those who screwed with the numbers and effed up the whole science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

and higher unemployment!

wut


 

Are you respected? Regulating the air a business puts out directly affects their production. Less production is equal to less jobs.

But of course if cap and trade ever comes to be it won't actually help the air, just pass the costs along to the consumer.

You are literally beyond help.  Honestly, I just feel sorry for you.


http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading


 

[pike]

I know you WANT to believe in global warming so you can push your communist agenda, just like those who screwed with the numbers and effed up the whole science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

and higher unemployment!

wut


 

Are you respected? Regulating the air a business puts out directly affects their production. Less production is equal to less jobs.

But of course if cap and trade ever comes to be it won't actually help the air, just pass the costs along to the consumer.

You are literally beyond help.  Honestly, I just feel sorry for you.


http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading


 

Says the one in favor of higher prices and less jobs based on a pseudoscience. LOL at thinking incentives to produce less will help anyone. But that's how communism is...lazy and inefficient. Hurray for more government control....hurray OBAMA!


 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Obama loves Bush policies more than Karl Rove.

Yeah, that's why he reformed the entire health care system, reversed Bush's policy on embryonic stem cell research, proposed new regulations on greenhouse gas emissions, discouraged the DEA from federal drug raids on marijuana dispensaries, reduced troop levels in Iraq, had the balls to get Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan, and plans to eliminate tax breaks for oil companies and tax cuts for the top 2% in the near future. 

The federal government is suing Arizona over their recent publicly approved medical marijuana law. Gee, I wonder why? Could it be politically motivated? Why not go after California, where there is a marijuana dispensary next to every Starbucks.

[OregonSmock]

First of all, you don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to market-based permit systems.  Somewhere along the line you were brain-washed, most likely by your hayseed family in Bumeff, KS.  Emissions trading creates incentives for firms to limit pollution.  For example, firms with the least amount of emissions receive tax breaks from the government, along with other benefits.  Firms with the lowest emissions may even profit from a market-based permit system, depending on what the market dictates the price of permits will be. 

[pike]

First of all, you don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to market-based permit systems.  Somewhere along the line you were brain-washed, most likely by your hayseed family in Bumfuck, KS.  Emissions trading creates incetivnes for firms to limit pollution.  For example, firms with the least amount of emissions receive tax breaks from the government, along with other benefits.  The bottom line is that you're a close minded redneck who thinks you have the answers to everything, when in fact you're as ignorant as it gets.

An Obamabot calling someone brainwashed omg 

I guess murdering the GDP is a good thing then 

[OregonSmock]

First of all, you don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to market-based permit systems.  Somewhere along the line you were brain-washed, most likely by your hayseed family in Bumeff, KS.  Emissions trading creates incetivnes for firms to limit pollution.  For example, firms with the least amount of emissions receive tax breaks from the government, along with other benefits.  The bottom line is that you're a close minded redneck who thinks you have the answers to everything, when in fact you're as ignorant as it gets.

An Obamabot calling someone brainwashed omg 

I guess murdering the GDP is a good thing then 

Your understanding of economics is that of a five year-old's.  Green technology and emissions-based permit systems increase GDP by lowering dependence on foreign imports (oil) and lowering our overall energy costs.  Green energy also creates jobs in both the public and private sector.  Go back to first grade, bro.

[pike]

First of all, you don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to market-based permit systems.  Somewhere along the line you were brain-washed, most likely by your hayseed family in Bumeff, KS.  Emissions trading creates incetivnes for firms to limit pollution.  For example, firms with the least amount of emissions receive tax breaks from the government, along with other benefits.  The bottom line is that you're a close minded redneck who thinks you have the answers to everything, when in fact you're as ignorant as it gets.

An Obamabot calling someone brainwashed omg 

I guess murdering the GDP is a good thing then 

Your understanding of economics is that of a five year-old's.  Green technology and emissions-based permit systems increase GDP by lowering dependence on foreign imports (oil) and lowering our overall energy costs.  Green energy also creates jobs in both the public and private sector.  Go back to first grade, bro.

While raping firms ability to produce?

[OregonSmock]

First of all, you don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to market-based permit systems.  Somewhere along the line you were brain-washed, most likely by your hayseed family in Bumeff, KS.  Emissions trading creates incetivnes for firms to limit pollution.  For example, firms with the least amount of emissions receive tax breaks from the government, along with other benefits.  The bottom line is that you're a close minded redneck who thinks you have the answers to everything, when in fact you're as ignorant as it gets.

An Obamabot calling someone brainwashed omg 

I guess murdering the GDP is a good thing then 

Your understanding of economics is that of a five year-old's.  Green technology and emissions-based permit systems increase GDP by lowering dependence on foreign imports (oil) and lowering our overall energy costs.  Green energy also creates jobs in both the public and private sector.  Go back to first grade, bro.

While raping firms ability to produce?

Brain-washed.   



http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-converter/?amt=1&from=eur&to=usd&submit=convert#from=EUR;to=USD;amt=1



Europe uses a market-based permit system on greenhouse emissions, and the euro is 43.84% more valuable than the US dollar. 



http://ec.europa.eu/environment/enveco/mbi.htm



Here's an example of how firms can benefit from a market-based permit system:


   

*  Environmental Tax Reform

    An Environmental Tax Reform is the combination of an increased application of environmental taxes with the reduction of other, more distorting taxes, e.g. on labour, in order to improve the environment and to further employment, within a context of budget neutrality. The graph below shows changes in the share of environmental and labour taxes in total tax revenue in the EU Member Sates since 1995. A description of the developments can be found in the 2008 Environment Policy Review – Environmental taxation.

That's your lesson for the day.  Class dismissed.

[pike]

The old "but...but it worked for Europe!" argument. Their system is questionable at best. Emissions actually rose for the first few years of that garbage. Then they lowered the cap in the middle of the god damned recession, which is the reason for the actual emission going down...not the bull crap scheme itself. Then toss in the volatility in price of the carbon credits, the bureaucracy to run it all, and special interests.....wow, what a mess.

All based on a science that can not be proven, and is likely made up

[Rage Against the McKee]

Investing in green energy will hurt the country in the short run, but help greatly in the long run. This is a case where the free market would eventually fail the United States, as there would never be a market for green energy until we either run out of oil or simply get cut off, and by then it would be too late to do anything about it.

[Panjandrum]

Investing in green energy will hurt the country in the short run, but help greatly in the long run. This is a case where the free market would eventually fail the United States, as there would never be a market for green energy until we either run out of oil or simply get cut off, and by then it would be too late to do anything about it.

The free market concept usually works up to a certain point, but if you want to push something in a certain direction, you have to give it a nudge, or else you end up in a situation just like you describe.  There has to be an incentive to go that route.

More folks are starting to realize that going green will eventually prove to be beneficial for a multitude of reasons, but we're not going to get there until we either let oil prices drive us in that direction, or we run out of oil, as you mention...if we let the free market drive everything.

We can impact supply by electing to not open up drilling domestically, so that would be the route I'd go.  However, with an election coming, I'm sure we'll see increased domestic production and nothing done about pushing green technologies until 2013.  God forbid we tell Joe Durango that he made a stupid decision by buying the oversized SUV that he commutes 50 miles every day with that maybe, just maybe, he should have bought a Kia.

Oh, and the Patriot Act still sucks and should be repealed.  If you're that worried about terrorism, you may as well not leave the house.

[sonofdaxjones]

You kids can start your own thread.   This thread is about the current War Monger and Chief and his  for the Patriot Act.




Love the Obamabot equivocation and back tracking,  "oh but you see, he's the lessor of 2 evils" . . . same as it ever was Obamabots, same as it ever was.

[Dugout DickStone]

I'm just glad that Obama is just Bush light.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Your understanding of economics is that of a five year-old's.  Green technology and emissions-based permit systems increase GDP by lowering dependence on foreign imports (oil) and lowering our overall energy costs.  Green energy also creates jobs in both the public and private sector.  Go back to first grade, bro.

OMG   

Mods, you know where this one belongs.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Your understanding of economics is that of a five year-old's.  Green technology and emissions-based permit systems increase GDP by lowering dependence on foreign imports (oil) and lowering our overall energy costs.  Green energy also creates jobs in both the public and private sector.  Go back to first grade, bro.

OMG   

Mods, you know where this one belongs.

Come on Sugar D, we can see Oregonhawk's concept at work in Spain right now. It is working just as he claims.