"Yahhh Torture" . . . Obamabots.
Dude. STOP trying to make Obamabots happen. It's NOT going to happen.
Dax is going to be super pissed when he finds out that Obama campaigned on the exact scenario that played out in Pakistan on Sunday. Nothing like being butthurt over a politician fulfilling a campaign promise.
the drones are going to be pissed when they find out that had Bush done these things, they'd be screaming for impeachment louder than ever. Wait, no they won't. They're drones.
Bush built the machine. Obama focused it and pushed the button. Both deserve credit/blame depending on how you look at it.
Dax's understanding of foreign policy comes from FreeRepublic and wikipedia. Just ask him, Afghanistan is a high-value strategic target because maps. Also he has referred to Bush as a neo-liberal in foreign policy threads. He's absolutely correct, Bush largely advocated policies in line with neo-liberalism. However, it's like calling Alan Greenspan a neo-conservative in a discussion about interest rates -- it may be true but it has jack crap to do with the discussion.
Wikipedia and Free Republic . . . 
If you want to delude yourself into believing that Afghanistan is simply about getting the Taliban and Al-Queda by all means don't let me stop you. If you want to believe that Pakistan is simply about finding Terra-ist sanctuaries, knock yourself out. Don't even bother looking at what's going on in terms of trying to exploit the natural resources of the 3 former Soviet "republics" right next to Af-Pak. NATO and the West are slobbering all over that region just for the hell of it.
Plus I love the logic, "well gosh, he campaigned on it, so golly, that's the right policy . . . yep he said it in the campaign, so that makes it right". Fantastic thinking there Obamabots.
Would love to hear your foreign policy ideas Dax. I assume isolationism is what you want? Would also love your thoughts on the death of OBL, is it good or bad?
Have you used Wikipedia to look up neo-liberalism yet to figure out when its use would actually make sense in foreign policy discussions?
No 06 I read what people like Zbiginew Brzezinski have said, what various academics have said, and a significant amount of what is written in the foreign media.
It has nothing at all to do with being an isolationist dumbass, and everything to do with understanding what the "war on terra" is all about. It doesn't take a genius to understand that for example: Chinese Oil Company(s) and sub-contractors are swarming all over North Africa, it's not hard to understand that there's going to be a major unleashing of diplomatic, intelligence and maybe even the military hammer when the Pakistani regime is swallowing Chinese nutsacks and then going and telling Karzai to do the same.
Look at the outcry right now over OBL and golly, "them Pakistani's had to know . . . got damn Pakistani's". At this juncture, a few more pieces of well placed information and the political shirt tucks will be marching on the Whitehouse demanding they invade Pakistan.
