Author Topic: European Club Soccer Thread! (EPL, Champions League, Europa, etc... :D ) (Read 1450099 times)

michigancat · « **Reply #17425 on:** May 16, 2024, 09:59:51 AM »

Quote from: cfbandyman on May 16, 2024, 09:53:00 AM

I like how the first 3 and last 3 are like all feelings and subjective elements of the VAR process, but the middle 3 are legit AF complainst, especially #4.

I mean the "feelings" are completely valid fan experience/entertainment concerns. At the end of the day they are in the business of entertainment and VAR leads to a worse entertainment experience overall IMO - even if it's subjective I don't think many people would disagree with that premise.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #17426 on:** May 17, 2024, 01:51:38 AM »

I do.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #17427 on:** May 17, 2024, 10:09:48 AM »

If they took away VAR, the next season everyone would be screaming to have it back.

michigancat · « **Reply #17428 on:** May 17, 2024, 10:28:34 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on May 17, 2024, 01:51:38 AM

I do.

you think VAR makes for a better entertainment product?

Quote from: Kat Kid on May 17, 2024, 10:09:48 AM

If they took away VAR, the next season everyone would be screaming to have it back.

I doubt it.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #17429 on:** May 18, 2024, 04:16:20 PM »

Why did they get it to start?

michigancat · « **Reply #17430 on:** May 18, 2024, 05:08:27 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on May 18, 2024, 04:16:20 PM

Why did they get it to start?

To get all the calls right? Did they achieve that and is it worth it?

My counter proposal would be to add a second on field official.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #17431 on:** May 18, 2024, 08:01:25 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on May 18, 2024, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: Kat Kid on May 18, 2024, 04:16:20 PM
Why did they get it to start?
To get all the calls right? Did they achieve that and is it worth it?

My counter proposal would be to add a second on field official.

I think that would be worse than no VAR or just 1 ref.

I know they have 3 kind of co-equal refs in basketball and in football they have distinct responsibilities for parts of the field, but that would require a complete re-thinking of how authority is shared. There are just way too many scenarios where they both would need to make a call, so what are they supposed to do, talk about it on the pitch while everyone at home watches the replay and they are surrounded by players? Insane.

In my mind, the biggest weakness in VAR is how to navigate the egos of the on field ref and most of the mistakes seem to be the VAR ref not wanting to hurt the feelings of the on field ref and have them take a look so there is some continuity to the game being called.

michigancat · « **Reply #17432 on:** May 18, 2024, 08:07:43 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on May 18, 2024, 08:01:25 PM

Quote from: michigancat on May 18, 2024, 05:08:27 PM
Quote from: Kat Kid on May 18, 2024, 04:16:20 PM
Why did they get it to start?
To get all the calls right? Did they achieve that and is it worth it?

My counter proposal would be to add a second on field official.
I think that would be worse than no VAR or just 1 ref.

I know they have 3 kind of co-equal refs in basketball and in football they have distinct responsibilities for parts of the field, but that would require a complete re-thinking of how authority is shared. There are just way too many scenarios where they both would need to make a call, so what are they supposed to do, talk about it on the pitch while everyone at home watches the replay and they are surrounded by players? Insane.

In my mind, the biggest weakness in VAR is how to navigate the egos of the on field ref and most of the mistakes seem to be the VAR ref not wanting to hurt the feelings of the on field ref and have them take a look so there is some continuity to the game being called.

VAR didn't require a complete rethinking of authority?

I think the biggest weakness of VAR is they take forever and still get a lot of judgement calls wrong or call them inconsistently

MakeItRain · « **Reply #17433 on:** May 19, 2024, 12:44:35 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on May 17, 2024, 10:28:34 AM

Quote from: MakeItRain on May 17, 2024, 01:51:38 AM
I do.

you think VAR makes for a better entertainment product?

Quote from: Kat Kid on May 17, 2024, 10:09:48 AM
If they took away VAR, the next season everyone would be screaming to have it back.

I doubt it.

Rusty, this might legitimately be the hottest take ever on this board. You think missing obvious calls is more entertaining than getting it right?

The ubiquity of gambling makes the tolerance for missed calls even less than it was before the era of instant replay. To add to this var isn't going away anywhere else, it's stupid a.f. to think that English fans are going to not only tolerate but he happy with gigantic missed calls. Just today var had to overturn a goal in the city west ham match that was literally punched in. It was called a goal on the field. VAR obviously gets waaaaaayyyyy more right than they miss. Wolves sounded like whiny bitches and they won't get anymore than 5 clubs voting with them. This is a massive nonstarter.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #17434 on:** May 19, 2024, 12:48:48 PM »

Kat Kid · « **Reply #17435 on:** May 19, 2024, 01:04:37 PM »

It is crazy ho Chelsea turned it around. Cole Palmer is amazing. Nkunku playing instead of Nicholas Jackson is such an incredible upgrade he is worse than Antony.

michigancat · « **Reply #17436 on:** May 19, 2024, 01:09:32 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on May 19, 2024, 12:44:35 PM

Quote from: michigancat on May 17, 2024, 10:28:34 AM
Quote from: MakeItRain on May 17, 2024, 01:51:38 AM
I do.

you think VAR makes for a better entertainment product?

Quote from: Kat Kid on May 17, 2024, 10:09:48 AM
If they took away VAR, the next season everyone would be screaming to have it back.

I doubt it.

Rusty, this might legitimately be the hottest take ever on this board. You think missing obvious calls is more entertaining than getting it right?

The ubiquity of gambling makes the tolerance for missed calls even less than it was before the era of instant replay. To add to this var isn't going away anywhere else, it's stupid a.f. to think that English fans are going to not only tolerate but he happy with gigantic missed calls. Just today var had to overturn a goal in the city west ham match that was literally punched in. It was called a goal on the field. VAR obviously gets waaaaaayyyyy more right than they miss. Wolves sounded like whiny bitches and they won't get anymore than 5 clubs voting with them. This is a massive nonstarter.

I think missed calls balance themselves out over time. I don't like instant replay in American sports either, especially at the ends of basketball games. English fans will never be happy so might as well go with the superior fan experience

michigancat · « **Reply #17437 on:** May 19, 2024, 02:57:54 PM »

Also, my universal replay rule for all sports is that if they can't make a definitive call in 30 seconds or fewer, the call on the floor stands.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #17438 on:** May 19, 2024, 09:54:33 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on May 19, 2024, 01:04:37 PM

It is crazy ho Chelsea turned it around. Cole Palmer is amazing. Nkunku playing instead of Nicholas Jackson is such an incredible upgrade he is worse than Antony.

Smoke and mirrors

Kat Kid · « **Reply #17439 on:** May 20, 2024, 09:27:57 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on May 19, 2024, 09:54:33 PM

Quote from: Kat Kid on May 19, 2024, 01:04:37 PM
It is crazy ho Chelsea turned it around. Cole Palmer is amazing. Nkunku playing instead of Nicholas Jackson is such an incredible upgrade he is worse than Antony.

Smoke and mirrors

They do have a positive goal difference…..

Spaces · « **Reply #17440 on:** May 20, 2024, 10:54:42 AM »

They finished sixth and trophyless. Some turnaround

(Cole Palmer is a baller though)

Kat Kid · « **Reply #17441 on:** May 20, 2024, 04:15:00 PM »

Quote from: Spaces on May 20, 2024, 10:54:42 AM

They finished sixth and trophyless. Some turnaround (Cole Palmer is a baller though)

Let me be clear, I don't like Chelsea, but they had a horrific season where they spent most of the time mid-table and they still will be going to Europe and Man U won't unless Man U pulls a rabbit out of their hat at Wembley.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #17442 on:** May 21, 2024, 02:03:05 PM »

lol, looks like Chelsea agreed with me
https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1792981366176370915
Now if we can get ETH's ass the eff up outta here, we can get Poch and get something going
https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1792978747542376690

Spaces · « **Reply #17443 on:** May 22, 2024, 04:25:39 PM »

https://twitter.com/CFCPys/status/1793265553139732918

omg

MakeItRain · « **Reply #17444 on:** May 23, 2024, 12:59:41 PM »

They ain't ever going to let another American buy a team

Kat Kid · « **Reply #17445 on:** September 01, 2024, 12:48:50 PM »

Man city
Liverpool
Arsenal

3 way race for the league.

Chelsea are playing some great ball, Mandueke is a huge upgrade over Sterling. They are going to be a fun team to watch because they are going to score a lot of goals and concede a lot of goals.

Man utd have no midfield (there is no way that Casemeiro can keep playing) and no striker. They are going to have a long season.

Wolves look like they are going to concede a ton of goals which is too bad because I don’t think they are going to score many.