Tenn's new coach?

[CNS]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

Are they not already?

We're already the third option in the hearts and minds of kids in the metro.  Painter moves them from an average two to a strong two.  KU will always be #1.

We may have an advantage for some kids on the Kansas side, or some kids who think KSU is kind of a sexy pick with our particular brand of basketball.  But we've always been a clear #2 with kids on the Missouri side of the line, and Painter isn't really going to make a big difference there.

Is it really that big of a deal being the top school for KC kids? The area produces about 1-2 BCS caliber kids a year. A Marcus Denmon type player is available once every five years or so.

Don't really care about KC.

umm..yeah, it's kind of a big deal. regardless of their frequency.  missing out on denmon was/is a huge f'ing deal.

We're going to miss out on Denmon (and guys like him) as long as Missouri doesn't hire a complete dud.

It's all Mizzou/KU on this side of the line, dude.  Go into a Dick's on the Missouri side, and there's one tiny rack of KSU gear.  There are five or six for KU and MU apiece.

Unless we cultivate our own brand and style that attracts kids and bandwagon fans (which we're doing with Nike HyperElite backing, Martin's brash style, and our physical play (kind of like Huggins in the 90's), we're going to lose those kids.

That's why our marketing (all of this Nike love) is a huge, huge deal.  Wearing black and gray is a huge deal.  Our 'look' and 'brand' is what's going to separate us from the strong MU/KU love in KC.

Playing style has to be taken into account too.  Some have speculated that is why Mike didn't recruit better than he did.  With a new coach coming in, odds are that he will not play the MA style of ball.  Should increase MU's recruiting eventually.  

This is one reason I hope we get our guard situ figured out to the point that we can play transition ball again.  More fun to watch, and I would think more appealing to high level kids.

[kso_FAN]

I think BCG is a solid coach, but I also think his success is being overdone. A ridiculous turnaround season at UTEP and one very good season at aTm led by a player he inherited. And I'll give him getting DeAndre Jordan to aTm as well, but its not like he's won a bunch of league titles.  Plus, he completely imploded at Kentucky and he'll have a very big rebuilding job at Tech. I see him having success at Tech similar to the elder Knight.  No doubt he'll be capable of beating us, but he'll largely be competing to consistently be .500 or so in the league and a bubble/first weekend NCAA team.

[sys]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

 

[sys]

Is it really that big of a deal being the top school for KC kids?

it's huge.  absolutely huge.  the best thing this staff has done since their arrival is developing their relationship with mokan.

[catzacker]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

Are they not already?

We're already the third option in the hearts and minds of kids in the metro.  Painter moves them from an average two to a strong two.  KU will always be #1.

We may have an advantage for some kids on the Kansas side, or some kids who think KSU is kind of a sexy pick with our particular brand of basketball.  But we've always been a clear #2 with kids on the Missouri side of the line, and Painter isn't really going to make a big difference there.

Is it really that big of a deal being the top school for KC kids? The area produces about 1-2 BCS caliber kids a year. A Marcus Denmon type player is available once every five years or so.

Don't really care about KC.

umm..yeah, it's kind of a big deal. regardless of their frequency.  missing out on denmon was/is a huge f'ing deal.

We're going to miss out on Denmon (and guys like him) as long as Missouri doesn't hire a complete dud.

It's all Mizzou/KU on this side of the line, dude.  Go into a Dick's on the Missouri side, and there's one tiny rack of KSU gear.  There are five or six for KU and MU apiece.

Unless we cultivate our own brand and style that attracts kids and bandwagon fans (which we're doing with Nike HyperElite backing, Martin's brash style, and our physical play (kind of like Huggins in the 90's), we're going to lose those kids.

That's why our marketing (all of this Nike love) is a huge, huge deal.  Wearing black and gray is a huge deal.  Our 'look' and 'brand' is what's going to separate us from the strong MU/KU love in KC.

we need a better coach then.  all of that is bs, imo.  it's about relationships with aau and kids.  that's it.  like anyone in Washington DC knew where the hell manhattan, ks was.

[Pete]

Indiana fan called into 810 this morning and was remarking about how Painter's best players came from releases that Indiana granted to Kelvin's guys...that Purdue swooped in and scooped up players that they ordinarily would not have landed.

Any truth to that?  I have no idea.

[michigancat]

And I'll give him getting DeAndre Jordan to aTm

package deal

[kso_FAN]

Indiana fan called into 810 this morning and was remarking about how Painter's best players came from releases that Indiana granted to Kelvin's guys...that Purdue swooped in and scooped up players that they ordinarily would not have landed.

Any truth to that?  I have no idea.

I don't know that it had much to do with Sampson leaving, but they were being recruited by Sampson while things started going south with the NCAA at Indiana. Painter was able to find 4 top 75 (3 top 50) Indiana HS Players in Hummell, Moore, Martin, and Johnson. It didn't hurt that 3 of them played AAU ball together or that 2 went to HS together.  It was a Top 5 class that year, but other than that Painter's recruiting has been good, but not great or outstanding.  Plus, he had good success with that excellent class, but never got past the Sweet 16, granted, Hummell's injuries didn't help. He's a good coach who would get good players to Missouri, but IMHO neither he nor Gillispie are at the level of Barnes or Self.

[mcmwcat]

not scared of Tech fighting Clydes ... at all.  

[CNS]

not scared of Tech fighting Clydes ... at all.  

In a couple years, he will have them in the upper half consistently. 

[catzacker]

an average coach is all that takes to keep us out of kc, apparently.

[kougar24]

Is it really that big of a deal being the top school for KC kids?

it's huge.  absolutely huge.  the best thing this staff has done since their arrival is developing their relationship with mokan.

parody post? i can never tell anymore.

[mcmwcat]

not scared of Tech fighting Clydes ... at all.  

In a couple years, he will have them in the upper half consistently. 

define consistently

[CNS]

not scared of Tech fighting Clydes ... at all.  

In a couple years, he will have them in the upper half consistently. 

define consistently

More often than not.

[kougar24]

not scared of Tech fighting Clydes ... at all. 

In a couple years, he will have them in the upper half consistently. 

define consistently

More often than not.

So doing something 51% of the time is "consistent"?

[sys]

In a couple years, he will have them in the upper half consistently. 

i'd believe that when i see it.  actually, more likely it'd be several years after i see it that i'd finally be able to believe it.

[sys]

parody post? i can never tell anymore.

not in any way.  maybe a future emphasizing post.

[kso_FAN]

not scared of Tech fighting Clydes ... at all.  

In a couple years, he will have them in the upper half consistently.  

define consistently

It will be interesting to follow. I respect BCG, he's a good coach and his teams play tough basketball, similar to Frank's. But this situation is a lot different from aTm; he isn't inheriting near the talent and will be building from the ground up. aTm had a ton of talent when he got there and we all know what happened at Kentucky. UTEP was a very impressive 2 year turnaround, but he still hasn't proven that he can stay at one place and build a program, he's never been one place more than 3 years.

[hatingfrancisco]

not scared of Tech fighting Clydes ... at all. 

In a couple years, he will have them in the upper half consistently. 

define consistently

More often than not.

So doing something 51% of the time is "consistent"?

As long as it is a consistent 51%

[CNS]

not scared of Tech fighting Clydes ... at all. 

In a couple years, he will have them in the upper half consistently. 

define consistently

More often than not.

So doing something 51% of the time is "consistent"?

How about "often"?  Better?

[Panjandrum]

an average coach is all that takes to keep us out of kc, apparently.

You brought up Denmon.  KC MO.  Pump N' Run.  We didn't really have an 'in' with that AAU organization, and Denmon grew up on the Missouri side.

Michael Dixon.  Lee's Summit.  KC Pump N' Run.

Those are the only two KC players Anderson signed during Martin's tenure.  Nino Williams was a higher ranked player than either Denmon or Dixon.

We have a relationship with Mo-Kan.  They got Pump N' Run.  We got the kids on the Kansas side.  They got the kids on the Missouri side.  I don't foresee that changing all that much.

[kougar24]

So is Nino going to be good or what?

[michigancat]

I think they just mumped up the Denmon recruitment. 2008 recruiting was ridiculously bad.

[sys]

I think they just mumped up the Denmon recruitment.

getting a pnr player would be a minor miracle, no blame.

[Panjandrum]

So is Nino going to be good or what?

No idea.