Tenn's new coach?

[sys]

fair point on chicago.  i'd argue memphis/chicago are about equal for mu compared to detroit/cincy for purdue.

[sonofdaxjones]

well, that and the fact their President is a huge $!#*.

You mean the AD??  Their Chancellor is a guy.

[wabash909]

Wow, this crap with Painter is actually going down.

Totally thought this was nothing more than a play for a pay hike at Purdue, but the fact that he's actually going to meet with MU leads me to believe this has a better than 50% shot of happening at this point.  Crazy...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/article_95e4a9d2-594b-11e0-9b25-0017a4a78c22.html

[WillieWatanabe]

Wow, this crap with Painter is actually going down.

Totally thought this was nothing more than a play for a pay hike at Purdue, but the fact that he's actually going to meet with MU leads me to believe this has a better than 50% shot of happening at this point.  Crazy...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/article_95e4a9d2-594b-11e0-9b25-0017a4a78c22.html

pulling a MA, trying to get more money out of Purdue? And if they call his bluff, he's gone.

[wetwillie]

Wow, this cac with Painter is actually going down.

Totally thought this was nothing more than a play for a pay hike at Purdue, but the fact that he's actually going to meet with MU leads me to believe this has a better than 50% shot of happening at this point.  Crazy...

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/article_95e4a9d2-594b-11e0-9b25-0017a4a78c22.html

These were essentially the thoughts of fran franschilla this morning on the BP with St John.  I'd much rather be up against MA than Painter.

[CNS]

I just don't see someone leaving Purdue for MU.

Have a feeling that Painter will have a new contract with Purdue by the end of the week.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

well, that and the fact their President is a huge $!#*.

You mean the AD??  Their Chancellor is a guy.

yes sorry....I thought that initially but the idea of a lady AD made me all  and I assumed I remembered it wrong.

[wabash909]

I just don't see someone leaving Purdue for MU.

Have a feeling that Painter will have a new contract with Purdue by the end of the week.

I didn't either, but I actually have shifted my thinking on this.

Purdue doesn't even lights at their freaking football stadium.  These guys run a shoestring budget by Big 10 standards.  And I'm really not sure they have the financial resources to elevate his pay substantially even if the committment was really there.

[Panjandrum]

I just don't see someone leaving Purdue for MU.

New arena, good facilities, good conference that will soon be getting an infusion of cash and TV exposure, decent proximity to good recruiting areas, solid reputation on a national level, good academics..

It's a good job.  They've just managed to underwhelm on nearly every hire for a really long time.

[catzacker]

if Painter is meeting with MU, then it's done. 

[Panjandrum]

if Painter is meeting with MU, then it's done. 

 

[EllToPay]

I just don't see someone leaving Purdue for MU.

Have a feeling that Painter will have a new contract with Purdue by the end of the week.

Disagree. IMO, the only thing Purdue has going for it compared to MU is its in the B10.

Look at who Painter battles with in his own state. ND, IU and Butler. MU is the only BCS school in the state with major meto areas two hours each way. MU has just as much money as Purdue, but with better facilities.

Why not?

[EllToPay]

if Painter is meeting with MU, then it's done. 

 

I guess on the flip side, if MU doesn't get him and settles for someone way less, that will create quite the shitstorm in Columbia.

[wabash909]

I just don't see someone leaving Purdue for MU.

New arena, good facilities, good conference that will soon be getting an infusion of cash and TV exposure, decent proximity to good recruiting areas, solid reputation on a national level, good academics..

It's a good job.  They've just managed to underwhelm on nearly every hire for a really long time.

2 Million per year salary is a shitpile of Walmart money to throw at a coach.  

The reality is money talks and there are a lot of other nice perks that you mentioned that make it a first rate job.  The Laurie/Kronke/Wal-Mart shitpile of money being at the top of the list.

[Panjandrum]

I just don't see someone leaving Purdue for MU.

New arena, good facilities, good conference that will soon be getting an infusion of cash and TV exposure, decent proximity to good recruiting areas, solid reputation on a national level, good academics..

It's a good job.  They've just managed to underwhelm on nearly every hire for a really long time.

2 Million per year salary is a cacpile of Walmart money to throw at a coach.  

The reality is money talks and there are a lot of other nice perks that you mentioned that make it a first rate job.  The Laurie/Kronke/Wal-Mart cacpile of money being at the top of the list.

If you stretch odds out towards infinity, at some point they were going to get it right.

It doesn't matter.  We're splitting them home-and-home at this point anyway.  Painter isn't really going to make a significant dent in that.  Overall, it will make them a much tougher team though.  Could make local recruiting a little more difficult, but my guess is that he's going to probably still recruit Big Ten country for any non-KC players while we still go down to Texas and Florida.

Honestly, it's an upgrade for them, but I don't think it really hurts us all that much.

[catzacker]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

[Panjandrum]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

Are they not already?

We're already the third option in the hearts and minds of kids in the metro.  Painter moves them from an average two to a strong two.  KU will always be #1.

We may have an advantage for some kids on the Kansas side, or some kids who think KSU is kind of a sexy pick with our particular brand of basketball.  But we've always been a clear #2 with kids on the Missouri side of the line, and Painter isn't really going to make a big difference there.

[wabash909]

I just don't see someone leaving Purdue for MU.

New arena, good facilities, good conference that will soon be getting an infusion of cash and TV exposure, decent proximity to good recruiting areas, solid reputation on a national level, good academics..

It's a good job.  They've just managed to underwhelm on nearly every hire for a really long time.

2 Million per year salary is a cacpile of Walmart money to throw at a coach.  

The reality is money talks and there are a lot of other nice perks that you mentioned that make it a first rate job.  The Laurie/Kronke/Wal-Mart cacpile of money being at the top of the list.

If you stretch odds out towards infinity, at some point they were going to get it right.

It doesn't matter.  We're splitting them home-and-home at this point anyway.  Painter isn't really going to make a significant dent in that.  Overall, it will make them a much tougher team though.  Could make local recruiting a little more difficult, but my guess is that he's going to probably still recruit Big Ten country for any non-KC players while we still go down to Texas and Florida.

Honestly, it's an upgrade for them, but I don't think it really hurts us all that much.

I think it makes the league collectively that much more difficult.

This potential hire + Gillespie at Tech is going to make the Big XII even more brutal than it already is.  Hopefully OU airballs.

[EllToPay]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

Are they not already?

We're already the third option in the hearts and minds of kids in the metro.  Painter moves them from an average two to a strong two.  KU will always be #1.

We may have an advantage for some kids on the Kansas side, or some kids who think KSU is kind of a sexy pick with our particular brand of basketball.  But we've always been a clear #2 with kids on the Missouri side of the line, and Painter isn't really going to make a big difference there.

Is it really that big of a deal being the top school for KC kids? The area produces about 1-2 BCS caliber kids a year. A Marcus Denmon type player is available once every five years or so.

Don't really care about KC.

[CNS]

DeArmond(SP) saying MU wants this wrapped up before the FF.

[catzacker]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

Are they not already?

We're already the third option in the hearts and minds of kids in the metro.  Painter moves them from an average two to a strong two.  KU will always be #1.

We may have an advantage for some kids on the Kansas side, or some kids who think KSU is kind of a sexy pick with our particular brand of basketball.  But we've always been a clear #2 with kids on the Missouri side of the line, and Painter isn't really going to make a big difference there.

Is it really that big of a deal being the top school for KC kids? The area produces about 1-2 BCS caliber kids a year. A Marcus Denmon type player is available once every five years or so.

Don't really care about KC.

umm..yeah, it's kind of a big deal. regardless of their frequency.  missing out on denmon was/is a huge f'ing deal.

[Panjandrum]

I think it makes the league collectively that much more difficult.

This potential hire + Gillespie at Tech is going to make the Big XII even more brutal than it already is.  Hopefully OU airballs.

Absolutely.  Gillespie was much more of an impact hire, IMO, because that's a basement team that could start to ascend pretty quickly, and now we have to play them twice a year instead of once, making that road game that much more difficult.

I mean, really, when you look at it top to bottom, this league is insane:

Kansas - Bill Self
Kansas State - Frank Martin
Missouri - Matt Painter (?)
Texas - Rick Barnes
Texas A&M - Mark Turgeon
Texas Tech - Billy Gillespie
Baylor - Scott Drew (Only here because he gets talent.  Once the NCAA finally hammers him, we'll remove him from the list.)

I mean, who are the weak links?  Travis Ford?  Hoiberg?  Good lord; that's brutal.  Oklahoma will go out and get someone decent, so that will continue to make them a tough out.

All I know is that this league is going to provide some fantastic basketball in the next few years, and the coaches are going to be colorful, engaging, and fun to watch.  I'm thrilled that we dropped two teams if I get to see 18 games of this every year.

[catzacker]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

Are they not already?

We're already the third option in the hearts and minds of kids in the metro.  Painter moves them from an average two to a strong two.  KU will always be #1.

We may have an advantage for some kids on the Kansas side, or some kids who think KSU is kind of a sexy pick with our particular brand of basketball.  But we've always been a clear #2 with kids on the Missouri side of the line, and Painter isn't really going to make a big difference there.

i suppose you're right.  somehow kind of forgot how absolutely owned frank has been in kc.

[Panjandrum]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

Are they not already?

We're already the third option in the hearts and minds of kids in the metro.  Painter moves them from an average two to a strong two.  KU will always be #1.

We may have an advantage for some kids on the Kansas side, or some kids who think KSU is kind of a sexy pick with our particular brand of basketball.  But we've always been a clear #2 with kids on the Missouri side of the line, and Painter isn't really going to make a big difference there.

Is it really that big of a deal being the top school for KC kids? The area produces about 1-2 BCS caliber kids a year. A Marcus Denmon type player is available once every five years or so.

Don't really care about KC.

umm..yeah, it's kind of a big deal. regardless of their frequency.  missing out on denmon was/is a huge f'ing deal.

We're going to miss out on Denmon (and guys like him) as long as Missouri doesn't hire a complete dud.

It's all Mizzou/KU on this side of the line, dude.  Go into a Dick's on the Missouri side, and there's one tiny rack of KSU gear.  There are five or six for KU and MU apiece.

Unless we cultivate our own brand and style that attracts kids and bandwagon fans (which we're doing with Nike HyperElite backing, Martin's brash style, and our physical play (kind of like Huggins in the 90's), we're going to lose those kids.

That's why our marketing (all of this Nike love) is a huge, huge deal.  Wearing black and gray is a huge deal.  Our 'look' and 'brand' is what's going to separate us from the strong MU/KU love in KC.

[Panjandrum]

imo, Painter will out recruit us in KC. 

Are they not already?

We're already the third option in the hearts and minds of kids in the metro.  Painter moves them from an average two to a strong two.  KU will always be #1.

We may have an advantage for some kids on the Kansas side, or some kids who think KSU is kind of a sexy pick with our particular brand of basketball.  But we've always been a clear #2 with kids on the Missouri side of the line, and Painter isn't really going to make a big difference there.

i suppose you're right.  somehow kind of forgot how absolutely owned frank has been in kc.

It's built in to these kids, man.  KSU hasn't been a player on this scene more than the last couple of years.

Now, five to ten more years of constant ESPN love and some sweet Nike branding...well, that may help a lot.