Confirmed that MA loser leaving Missouri for Ark.

[chum1]

this thread just got good!

[Dugout DickStone]

Any chances we can get a pic of ben playing aau ball!?  I assume he has cankles.

Hed did not.  He lied.

[KITNfury]

Almost all good ballers played aau bball. Not all aau players are good ballers. Id be embarrassed to admit that I have a trust fund.

[bradleigh]

I love Frank. Love him. But if he flirted with other schools three years in a row, then I couldn't care less if he left.

This line of thought is so basic.  If he happens to be so good at his job that competitors want to bid for his services every year, good for him.  If you were good enough at your job you'd do the same.  If he can keep getting Alden to give him cash then good for him.  If Mizzou was getting jerked around then Mike Alden is to blame.

It's a basic line of thought if you actually think your coach is worth what he is asking. MA isn't worth 2 million a year. Neither is Frank. At some point you want your coach to be satisfied with his pay. How many times do you think you could go to your boss, tell him you have another offer that you would like him to match, before he shakes your hand and says "good luck with your future endeavors".

Like anyone else with a job, they are worth what someone is willing to pay them.  If this is a bidding war, there are at least two schools who feel he is worth it, so that makes him worth it.  If Mizzou doesn't want to pay him that, no one is forcing them to.  Mizzou is begging Anderson to shop his services & push up his price by playing into this game.

So it's impossible to overpay for something as long as there are two parties willing to do so? 

Pretty much textbook supply and demand here. There's only one Mike Anderson and there's more than one buyer interested in purchasing Mike Anderson's services. This equals profit for Mike Anderson. More power to him.

The only instance where I think they could be accused of "paying too much" is if they don't actually have the money to pay Mike Anderson. I don't think this is the case... but perhaps Mike Anderson should check in to this before signing a contract.

Absolutely not true.  Just because some idiot (or idiots) are willing to pay $X for a good or service does not necessarily mean that said good or service has a value of $X.

I should have added that "supply and demand" and more generally the study of economics relies on "rational decision making"...history is full of instances where this isn't the case (in fact often times it isn't the case).   To think that because someone (or even more than one person) is willing to pay $X for something means that is the value and so therefore they are not "overpaying" for that something is absurd.

I'm not sure one can make the case that a proven winner isn't worth $2mil and more.  Our record Ahearn fund drives simply don't happen on the back of Woollly, Tom, etc.

[MakeItRain]

I love Frank. Love him. But if he flirted with other schools three years in a row, then I couldn't care less if he left.

This line of thought is so basic.  If he happens to be so good at his job that competitors want to bid for his services every year, good for him.  If you were good enough at your job you'd do the same.  If he can keep getting Alden to give him cash then good for him.  If Mizzou was getting jerked around then Mike Alden is to blame.

It's a basic line of thought if you actually think your coach is worth what he is asking. MA isn't worth 2 million a year. Neither is Frank. At some point you want your coach to be satisfied with his pay. How many times do you think you could go to your boss, tell him you have another offer that you would like him to match, before he shakes your hand and says "good luck with your future endeavors".

Like anyone else with a job, they are worth what someone is willing to pay them.  If this is a bidding war, there are at least two schools who feel he is worth it, so that makes him worth it.  If Mizzou doesn't want to pay him that, no one is forcing them to.  Mizzou is begging Anderson to shop his services & push up his price by playing into this game.

So it's impossible to overpay for something as long as there are two parties willing to do so? 

Pretty much textbook supply and demand here. There's only one Mike Anderson and there's more than one buyer interested in purchasing Mike Anderson's services. This equals profit for Mike Anderson. More power to him.

The only instance where I think they could be accused of "paying too much" is if they don't actually have the money to pay Mike Anderson. I don't think this is the case... but perhaps Mike Anderson should check in to this before signing a contract.

Absolutely not true.  Just because some idiot (or idiots) are willing to pay $X for a good or service does not necessarily mean that said good or service has a value of $X.

I should have added that "supply and demand" and more generally the study of economics relies on "rational decision making"...history is full of instances where this isn't the case (in fact often times it isn't the case).   To think that because someone (or even more than one person) is willing to pay $X for something means that is the value and so therefore they are not "overpaying" for that something is absurd.

Until you become a big time athletic department booster or an AD, your opinion over who is overpaid and who isn't doesn't mean dick.  I think iPhones are rough ridin' stupid and wouldn't pay $50 for one, who gives a eff what I think, I have no ability to move the market.  You have no ability to determine how much a coach is worth.  Stay out of peoples pocket, meat peeper.  Just because you think Frank Martin is a better basketball coach and gets paid less, doesn't mean that Anderson is overpaid, don't be so simple.

Athletic Directors pay him, they dictate the market.  Coaches are not a good or service.  One goddamn iPad doesn't make crap for Apple.  One Mike Anderson helped Mizzou gross $9.5 million & net over $4 million last year.  Obviously Mike Alden thinks Anderson has great value to the men's basketball program and to the University of Missouri. 

[sys]

there is the potential for high replacement cost to changing coaches.  such that you could replace a coach with a coach of exactly equal capabilities, but damage your competitive position through foregone recruiting opportunities, lost recruits & transfers.  since there is no shortage of qualified coaches, that's one big driver of coaching salary increases.  the other being the substantial risk, and very high cost, of making an unsuccessful hire.

the other side of the coin is that there is some tradeoff between annual salary/perceived loyalty and job security for a coach.  as long as a program is successful, the tradeoff can be masked.  however, a couple of down years bring it to the forefront.

[KITNfury]

I love Frank. Love him. But if he flirted with other schools three years in a row, then I couldn't care less if he left.

This line of thought is so basic.  If he happens to be so good at his job that competitors want to bid for his services every year, good for him.  If you were good enough at your job you'd do the same.  If he can keep getting Alden to give him cash then good for him.  If Mizzou was getting jerked around then Mike Alden is to blame.

It's a basic line of thought if you actually think your coach is worth what he is asking. MA isn't worth 2 million a year. Neither is Frank. At some point you want your coach to be satisfied with his pay. How many times do you think you could go to your boss, tell him you have another offer that you would like him to match, before he shakes your hand and says "good luck with your future endeavors".

Like anyone else with a job, they are worth what someone is willing to pay them.  If this is a bidding war, there are at least two schools who feel he is worth it, so that makes him worth it.  If Mizzou doesn't want to pay him that, no one is forcing them to.  Mizzou is begging Anderson to shop his services & push up his price by playing into this game.

So it's impossible to overpay for something as long as there are two parties willing to do so? 

Pretty much textbook supply and demand here. There's only one Mike Anderson and there's more than one buyer interested in purchasing Mike Anderson's services. This equals profit for Mike Anderson. More power to him.

The only instance where I think they could be accused of "paying too much" is if they don't actually have the money to pay Mike Anderson. I don't think this is the case... but perhaps Mike Anderson should check in to this before signing a contract.

Absolutely not true.  Just because some idiot (or idiots) are willing to pay $X for a good or service does not necessarily mean that said good or service has a value of $X.

I should have added that "supply and demand" and more generally the study of economics relies on "rational decision making"...history is full of instances where this isn't the case (in fact often times it isn't the case).   To think that because someone (or even more than one person) is willing to pay $X for something means that is the value and so therefore they are not "overpaying" for that something is absurd.

Until you become a big time athletic department booster or an AD, your opinion over who is overpaid and who isn't doesn't mean dick.  I think iPhones are rough ridin' stupid and wouldn't pay $50 for one, who gives a eff what I think, I have no ability to move the market.  You have no ability to determine how much a coach is worth.  Stay out of peoples pocket, meat peeper.  Just because you think Frank Martin is a better basketball coach and gets paid less, doesn't mean that Anderson is overpaid, don't be so simple.

Athletic Directors pay him, they dictate the market.  Coaches are not a good or service.  One goddamn iPad doesn't make crap for Apple.  One Mike Anderson helped Mizzou gross $9.5 million & net over $4 million last year.  Obviously Mike Alden thinks Anderson has great value to the men's basketball program and to the University of Missouri. 

You have such a simplistic view of this it's mind numbing. Yes there is one Mike Anderson. Yes there are two schools that want him. You know what else, there are like hundreds of coaches (which is also what Mike Anderson is). Only about 10 of them are paid $2M plus. You think Anderson is one of the top 10 coaches in the country? GMAFB. For less than $2M, he could be replaced. He had one good year at MU, that is NOT worth $2M.

If he gets to the final four next year, then I'll rearange my opinion on the topic.

[CNS]

you're crazy.  iPhones are def worth $50.

[CNS]

SBNation:

Another Day, Another Mike Anderson To Arkansas Report
Mar
23
7:25a
by Joel Thorman

If Mike Anderson doesn't go to the Arkansas Razorbacks to become head coach -- and he said as recently as last Thursday that he won't -- then there are going to be some disappointed and pissed off Arkansas fans. That's because Arkansas news outlets continue to report that Anderson will be the next Razorbacks head coach.

Nate Allen of the Baxter Bulletin is the latest from Arkansas to report this:

Sources close to college basketball, and sources close to Arkansas said Tuesday night they anticipate Missouri coach Mike Anderson becoming the Arkansas Razorbacks' next head coach.

So sources tell him Anderson is going to Arkansas but three paragraphs down he writes "etch nothing in stone" so I'm not sure if we should believe his report if he's clearly not confident in it by throwing in a disclaimer within the first 100 words of the story.

The Anderson to Arkansas story is one of the craziest stories I remember. Arkansas reporters clearly have someone (ahem, Mr. Jimmy Sexton) feeding them information that's putting the pressure on Mizzou fans to encourage AD Mike Alden to do what it takes to keep Anderson.

Another day, another report....

[Winters]

GottliebShow    Andy Katz says Anderson will take Arkansas.

 

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

I weep for the country's (mis)understanding of basic economic principles.

[Havs]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6249515&campaign=rss&source=ESPNUHeadlines

[Dugout DickStone]

I weep for the country's (mis)understanding of basic economic principles.

No one cares, Dr. Laffer.  Relax

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

I weep for the country's (mis)understanding of basic economic principles.

No one cares, Dr. Laffer.  Relax

[CNS]

GottliebShow    Andy Katz says Anderson will take Arkansas.

 

Gotlieb has been doing his "I told you so" dance on twitter the last few days when the rumor surge was that Mike was staying at MU. 

[puniraptor]

Any chance these ARK people are taking a Fitz on this one?

[Cire]

LOL at mizzou, that sucks.

[CNS]

MarkLericos Mark Lericos
Anderson to Arkansas. UA Source: http://www.4029tv.com/sports/27293879/detail.html

[Emo EMAW]

This is turning into the LaBron to Miami deal.

[CNS]

This is turning into the LaBron to Miami deal.

Gonna be similar hate on the MU end if he goes.  Will be Roy'ish.  MU'ers will hate AK like KU'ers hate UNC.

Will suck if MU gets Pearl out of the deal.

Would rather if Mike just stayed and got paid.  We could continue to at least split with them and then also make fun of them for paying so much for a less-than elite coach.

[EllToPay]

This is turning into the LaBron to Miami deal.

Gonna be similar hate on the MU end if he goes.  Will be Roy'ish.  MU'ers will hate AK like KU'ers hate UNC.

Will suck if MU gets Pearl out of the deal.

Would rather if Mike just stayed and got paid.  We could continue to at least split with them and then also make fun of them for paying so much for a less-than elite coach.

yeah, really don't want them getting someone like pearl. we now have to face bcg and self twice a year. don't want to add oscar and buzz to that list either.

[jtksu]

Weren't we already facing Self twice a year?

[CNS]

This is turning into the LaBron to Miami deal.

Gonna be similar hate on the MU end if he goes.  Will be Roy'ish.  MU'ers will hate AK like KU'ers hate UNC.

Will suck if MU gets Pearl out of the deal.

Would rather if Mike just stayed and got paid.  We could continue to at least split with them and then also make fun of them for paying so much for a less-than elite coach.

yeah, really don't want them getting someone like pearl. we now have to face bcg and self twice a year. don't want to add oscar and buzz to that list either.

Jesus, that would be awful.  Prob will happen.

[sys]

all the tweeting heads are saying pearl is going to get a show cause, which if true, means no one will hire him.

[CNS]

'Grats SD:

JakeGuti Jake Gutierrez
If Mike Anderson is really gone and I was a Mizzou fan I would want MU to go after Jay Wright with that 2 million they were ready 2 give MA.