Author Topic: Jake shows up for the big boys of B12 while Marcus hides... (Read 12496 times)

Skipper44 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:13:40 PM »

Statsheet OffRat average vs never on Wed

Fear the Beard = 120.9

Fear the 'Bow = 99.4

justTHEtip · « **Reply #26 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:16:56 PM »

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Marcus only played 24 minutes in each matchup, scoring 10 points and grabbing 9 rebounds against K-State in AFH, while putting up 13 and 3 in Manhattan. In contrast, Pullen averaged 35 minutes a game against the top 4 in the league.

He was in foul trouble both games. The ghost of Lisa Robinson carried them at AFH, so he wasn't needed. And future NBA'er JHR made him his bitch at Bramlage. Wait and see how he handles himself in the zoo.
My prediction: CUE THE ELBOWS!

broXcore · « **Reply #27 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:17:47 PM »

this is some old school manhatter on the rivals recruiting board type crap

bradleigh · « **Reply #28 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:42:54 PM »

It must also be considered that Marcus almost cost his team the title by shrinking away from the competition at the top of the league, leading them to a meager 2-2 record in those games.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #29 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:56:17 PM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on March 03, 2011, 01:09:13 PM

Quote from: OregonHawk on March 03, 2011, 12:58:02 PM
I will say that the stats are a little misleading, though, mainly because both games against K-State were blowouts. Marcus only played 24 minutes in each matchup, scoring 10 points and grabbing 9 rebounds against K-State in AFH, while putting up 13 and 3 in Manhattan. In contrast, Pullen averaged 35 minutes a game against the top 4 in the league. The bottom line is that the comparison is apples to oranges.

k. I'll make it apples to apples

pp minute top 4
jake = .71
MM = .47

pp minute all big 12
jake = .63
MM = .63

It's still apples to oranges. Pullen can put up 20 points on 8-22 shooting, while his team loses 90-66, and your stats will favor Pullen. Marcus, meanwhile, is a much more efficient player. He doesn't take nearly as many shots, or play nearly as many minutes, but he still averages around 19 ppg in conference play. A strong argument can be made that the best player on the best team should win Big 12 POY, but I won't make it.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:57:27 PM »

Quote from: bradleigh on March 03, 2011, 01:42:54 PM

It must also be considered that Marcus almost cost his team the title by shrinking away from the competition at the top of the league, leading them to a meager 2-2 record in those games.

Using this logic, Pullen cost his team six games against good to average competition.

rcjh88 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:07:58 PM »

You are talking about logic? I think you are on the wrong board.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #32 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:12:58 PM »

I've looked at the conference losses real quick looks like Pullen has averaged about 21 points a game in those games.

The Manhatter · « **Reply #33 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:18:05 PM »

Quote from: OregonHawk on March 03, 2011, 01:56:17 PM

Quote from: The Manhatter on March 03, 2011, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: OregonHawk on March 03, 2011, 12:58:02 PM
I will say that the stats are a little misleading, though, mainly because both games against K-State were blowouts. Marcus only played 24 minutes in each matchup, scoring 10 points and grabbing 9 rebounds against K-State in AFH, while putting up 13 and 3 in Manhattan. In contrast, Pullen averaged 35 minutes a game against the top 4 in the league. The bottom line is that the comparison is apples to oranges.

k. I'll make it apples to apples

pp minute top 4
jake = .71
MM = .47

pp minute all big 12
jake = .63
MM = .63

It's still apples to oranges. Pullen can put up 20 points on 8-22 shooting, while his team loses 90-66, and your stats will favor Pullen. Marcus, meanwhile, is a much more efficient player. He doesn't take nearly as many shots, or play nearly as many minutes, but he still averages around 19 ppg in conference play. A strong argument can be made that the best player on the best team should win Big 12 POY, but I won't make it.

I see what you did there. You pulled out the one 8-22 shot for Pullen and ignored, say, a 6 of 17 shooting night for marcus. I guess you missed that Pullen shot nearly (.448 to .463) what Morris did from the 3 vs. the field, overall. Trying to compare efficiency numbers for a 6-0 guard from 23 feet against a 6-9 forward shooting from 10'- and in, is generally not the apples to apples....though in the 4 games Marcus took 41 shots while Jake took 72 shots and Jake's 1.38 pp shot > Marcus' 1.27 pp shot.

justTHEtip · « **Reply #34 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:23:28 PM »

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A strong argument can be made that the best player on the best team should win Big 12 POY, but I won't make it.

By typing that you made it your argument. And to continue beating the proverbial dead horse. Anderson won it for a middle of the pack OSU a year ago. Morris is just a good player on a good team.

chum1 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:28:54 PM »

this thread raises an interesting question: who is more butthurt over ku? hatter or dax?

goEMAW

OregonSmock · « **Reply #36 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:30:13 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2011, 02:12:58 PM

I've looked at the conference losses real quick looks like Pullen has averaged about 21 points a game in those games.

LaceDarius Dunn scores a lot of points too.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #37 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:31:53 PM »

Nice Jedi Mind Trick Beems . . . the numbers don't lie, Pullen has been superior against the conferences best teams, while Morris has been superior against the conferences worst teams.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #38 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:40:42 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2011, 02:31:53 PM

Nice Jedi Mind Trick Beems . . . the numbers don't lie, Pullen has been superior against the conferences best teams, while Morris has been superior against the conferences worst teams.

Translation: Pullen had the game of his life against KU in the Octagon of Jock Jams, while Marcus Morris has been more consistent all season.

jtksu · « **Reply #39 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:42:31 PM »

Sniff, sniff, I smell Naismith!!

Seriously though, does Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) #1 get any credit for the sheer volume of vicious, violent elbows he produces per game?

EMAWzified · « **Reply #40 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:46:33 PM »

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translation: Pullen had the game of his life against KU in the Octagon of Jock Jams, while Marcus Morris has been more consistent all season.

If by consistent you mean "Big-Game" McMoron consistently doesn't show up for tough spotlight games, then yes you are right.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #41 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:22:41 PM »

Quote from: EMAWzified on March 03, 2011, 02:46:33 PM

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translation: Pullen had the game of his life against KU in the Octagon of Jock Jams, while Marcus Morris has been more consistent all season.

If by consistent you mean "Big-Game" McMoron consistently doesn't show up for tough spotlight games, then yes you are right.

28-2 and 1st in the Big 12 disagrees with you.

WillieWatanabe · « **Reply #42 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:25:31 PM »

Thunderstruck is so much better than Jock Jams.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #43 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:29:48 PM »

Is Jake Pullen's the Big 12 Leading Scorer?? Meanwhile Morris from the land of the weak ass flash mob and Hells Bells shrivels up in the face of the conferences top teams.

FHSU92 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:31:14 PM »

you guys are all mcmorons, if jake had a better team like McM his stats would be less impressive. Thus, it's more about the teams than the player. But since, the rest of KSt8 is meh, Jake has to be all Danny Manning-like and carry them every game.

Really feel for Jake considering the pressure he's under day-in-out.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 03, 2011, 05:58:37 PM »

I hope this Manhatter guy sticks around.

SdK · « **Reply #46 on:** March 03, 2011, 06:07:24 PM »

Quote from: Stevesie60 on March 03, 2011, 05:58:37 PM

I hope this Manhatter guy sticks around.

Just wonder where he was earlier in the season...

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #47 on:** March 03, 2011, 06:51:47 PM »

Quote from: FHSU92 on March 03, 2011, 03:31:14 PM

you guys are all mcmorons, if jake had a better team like McM his stats would be less impressive. Thus, it's more about the teams than the player. But since, the rest of KSt8 is meh, Jake has to be all Danny Manning-like and carry them every game.

Really feel for Jake considering the pressure he's under day-in-out.

http://douglongball.blogspot.com/2011/02/jacob-and-miracles.html

SdK · « **Reply #48 on:** March 03, 2011, 07:12:57 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 03, 2011, 06:51:47 PM

Quote from: FHSU92 on March 03, 2011, 03:31:14 PM
you guys are all mcmorons, if jake had a better team like McM his stats would be less impressive. Thus, it's more about the teams than the player. But since, the rest of KSt8 is meh, Jake has to be all Danny Manning-like and carry them every game.

Really feel for Jake considering the pressure he's under day-in-out.

http://douglongball.blogspot.com/2011/02/jacob-and-miracles.html

One Nut Willie · « **Reply #49 on:** March 03, 2011, 07:15:15 PM »

Quote from: justTHEtip on March 03, 2011, 02:23:28 PM

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A strong argument can be made that the best player on the best team should win Big 12 POY, but I won't make it.

By typing that you made it your argument. And to continue beating the proverbial dead horse. Anderson won it for a middle of the pack OSU a year ago. Morris is just a good player on a good team.

And Pullen is just a good player on a bad team.