The Official Bracketology Thread

[Powercat Posse]

ASU just lost to Colorado 

Wasn't barely losing to them our best accomplishment in the non-con?

They aren't the same team they we faced or beat Xavier & Ku.   They are trending the wrong way (lost 5 of 6)

[8manpick]

ASU just lost to Colorado 

Wasn't barely losing to them our best accomplishment in the non-con?

They aren't the same team they we faced or beat Xavier & Ku.   They are trending the wrong way (lost 5 of 6)

I mean, I know what you are saying, but they are as much the same team as anyone else is from the beginning to the end of a season. What is the representative sample size for a given team for a comparison to have any meaning?

SOS, RPI, etc have decided that the sample size is the season.

[cfbandyman]

FSU lost. NC st Lost. 
Matrix had them #34 #35 (and Cats #38)
I had them 1 and 2 spots ahead of us

Beat Tcu and I think it's almost a given we are in 8 vs 9 game at worst

I'd rather be a 10, or win a bunch and get to a 7. I don't want anything with a 8/9 game.

This is why I barely care about our seed right now. A 7 vs a 10 seed? Meh, theoretically we play an easier opponent as a 7, but really we all know it's more about matchups than seed when we're talking about those seeds. And yes, would rather be a 10 than an 8 or 9. With 6 out of reach, it's hard to care too much.

I think you're dancing around what I am getting at, but to me it's all about the 2nd round matchup vs the 2/15 seed than it is vs the 1 seed. I know 1's aren't infallible once you get to that second round, and it's also kinda lolers to think about the next matchup when oscar has a real hard time making it to the next round, but 2 seeds IMO are more vulnerable that 1's, and they do also seem to have a 15 upset a 2 ever other tourny or so, so you got a chance against a more beatable team, and then the potential of playing a 15 anyways. You never have that in the 8/9 slot. Plus, you got more of that shot of having a FF Kentucky-like team from that level in that game.

If you are going to be a lower seed, the 7/10, or if you can get to a 6, are the ideal. I dislike 8/9's.

[Powercat Posse]

I posted this before, but....

Recent history, last 8 years-
1 seed lost in 2nd Rd 6x
2 seed lost in 2nd Rd 10x
2 seed lost to 15 in 1st Rd 3x

So yes, 8/9 has been less ideal.  So i see what your line of reasoning is.  I don't want to see 1 seeds Nova or Virginia. At the same time Duke and Cincy as 2 seeds are not to my liking at all. 

[MakeItRain]

KState is always going to be underseeded.  Hell, the Cats could go 25-5 and win the league next year then get a #2 seed.  It's partially because no one will take Weber seriously because he sounds like Marge Simpson when talking.

Another person trying to put some of the fault on Weber, when he has nothing to do with it.

For the most part, Ksu has got seeded where I thought they would. Last year, 2014, 2010, 2012 were exactly where I thought. Beasley's year I thought we deserved better than a 11.  Pullen's senior year I thought we would get a 6 and got a 5. McGruder's senior year, I thought we had a shot at a 3, but got a 4

those seeds were about selling tickets

Curious conspiracy theory, Alex Jones. KU was at both of those pod sites.

[420seriouscat69]

ASU just lost to Colorado 

Wasn't barely losing to them our best accomplishment in the non-con?

They aren't the same team they we faced or beat Xavier & Ku.   They are trending the wrong way (lost 5 of 6)

I mean, I know what you are saying, but they are as much the same team as anyone else is from the beginning to the end of a season. What is the representative sample size for a given team for a comparison to have any meaning?

SOS, RPI, etc have decided that the sample size is the season.

What a weird team. They were so hot in the non-con and then crap the bed in a bad P5 conference. Are they filled with FR? Maybe they didn't have the legs or something.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The only reason they beat us was because of a bullshit 30+ FT disparity. It's a bunch of midget guards that aren't particularly good shooters.

[420seriouscat69]

I would love to match their non-con wins vs other teams tho. 2 wins vs possible 1 seeds and us. Not sure who else they beat until they finally lost in conference.

[420seriouscat69]

Go UNC!

[KITNfury]

FSU lost. NC st Lost. 
Matrix had them #34 #35 (and Cats #38)
I had them 1 and 2 spots ahead of us

Beat Tcu and I think it's almost a given we are in 8 vs 9 game at worst

I'd rather be a 10, or win a bunch and get to a 7. I don't want anything with a 8/9 game.

This is why I barely care about our seed right now. A 7 vs a 10 seed? Meh, theoretically we play an easier opponent as a 7, but really we all know it's more about matchups than seed when we're talking about those seeds. And yes, would rather be a 10 than an 8 or 9. With 6 out of reach, it's hard to care too much.

I think you're dancing around what I am getting at, but to me it's all about the 2nd round matchup vs the 2/15 seed than it is vs the 1 seed. I know 1's aren't infallible once you get to that second round, and it's also kinda lolers to think about the next matchup when oscar has a real hard time making it to the next round, but 2 seeds IMO are more vulnerable that 1's, and they do also seem to have a 15 upset a 2 ever other tourny or so, so you got a chance against a more beatable team, and then the potential of playing a 15 anyways. You never have that in the 8/9 slot. Plus, you got more of that shot of having a FF Kentucky-like team from that level in that game.

If you are going to be a lower seed, the 7/10, or if you can get to a 6, are the ideal. I dislike 8/9's.

I was 100% agreeing with your earlier post.

[Powercat Posse]

I would love to match their non-con wins vs other teams tho. 2 wins vs possible 1 seeds and us. Not sure who else they beat until they finally lost in conference.

They beat Xavier KState St John's on neutral court. Won at Ku. 12-0 non con.  They went 3-10 in Q1/Q2 games vs P12 teams. 

I give their Ku Xavier wins more weight than normal Q1 wins because they were away from home. So instead of 3/4 on Q1-Q2 wins, I really see it as 4/4.

[AppleJack]

Texas better not blow my 9-team-dream

[Powercat Posse]

Lots of potential 8-9 seeds lost today.
VT Ou NCSt and FSU all lost.
All Q2 losses, except Q1 for Noles.
These were #30,33,34,35 on the Matrix

[catastrophe]

I really don't want an 8/9 seed.

I do, however, like that the Big 12 is trending to a 9 team berth and that the conference currently has 4 bubble teams, none of which are K-State.

[MakeItRain]

One thing to bear in mind regarding seeding is that with the Big 12 getting as many teams as we're going to get, with the tournament profiles so close, there's going to be some weird seeding. Some seed lines will deviate a couple of lines from where they're projected to make the field work with all of the bracketing rules in place.

[kslim]

One thing to bear in mind regarding seeding is that with the Big 12 getting as many teams as we're going to get, with the tournament profiles so close, there's going to be some weird seeding. Some seed lines will deviate a couple of lines from where they're projected to make the field work with all of the bracketing rules in place.

the fact that they are selecting the teams and then seeding them/building the bracket on sunday is going to be very strange.

[420seriouscat69]

One thing to bear in mind regarding seeding is that with the Big 12 getting as many teams as we're going to get, with the tournament profiles so close, there's going to be some weird seeding. Some seed lines will deviate a couple of lines from where they're projected to make the field work with all of the bracketing rules in place.

the fact that they are selecting the teams and then seeding them/building the bracket on sunday is going to be very strange.

I'm kinda excited for that. Sounds kinda fun.

[mocat]

One thing to bear in mind regarding seeding is that with the Big 12 getting as many teams as we're going to get, with the tournament profiles so close, there's going to be some weird seeding. Some seed lines will deviate a couple of lines from where they're projected to make the field work with all of the bracketing rules in place.

the fact that they are selecting the teams and then seeding them/building the bracket on sunday is going to be very strange.

wait they are going to announce the whole field first, and then later announce where each school is going to be seeded?

[420seriouscat69]

Yes, why wouldn't you stick around for that? It's genius.

[mocat]

yeah, could be fun

[Joker]

For the sake of transparency, and mega ratings, the NCAA should live stream the selection committee's full deliberation process.

[420seriouscat69]

I would love all of that crap. I'd like for them to finally admit too that they look at bracketology's to make their job easier.

[MakeItRain]

For the sake of transparency, and mega ratings, the NCAA should live stream the selection committee's full deliberation process.

I would love all of that crap. I'd like for them to finally admit too that they look at bracketology's to make their job easier.

They definitely don't look at bracket projections. The process is pretty transparent and that's why it's relatively easy to project the field. They invite media to do a mock process within the year using.the actual metrics on the team sheets. Seeding would be the only thing remotely worth watching and that process takes three to four days, that would be pretty dry to watch on Facebook live or YouTube.

[MakeItRain]

[Joker]

For the sake of transparency, and mega ratings, the NCAA should live stream the selection committee's full deliberation process.

I would love all of that crap. I'd like for them to finally admit too that they look at bracketology's to make their job easier.

They definitely don't look at bracket projections. The process is pretty transparent and that's why it's relatively easy to project the field. They invite media to do a mock process within the year using.the actual metrics on the team sheets. Seeding would be the only thing remotely worth watching and that process takes three to four days, that would be pretty dry to watch on Facebook live or YouTube.

I'm mostly looking for some reality TV drama and the aftermath when bubble teams hear why they didn't make it.  Maybe it would just be a room full of boring people crunching numbers and politely agreeing with each other though.