BSFS Expansion Thread

[Havs]

I don't mean to be a phoggie here because memorial (nebrask) is infinitely nicer than what we have now, I just hate the way it looks hastily thrown together/too many seats in the endzone

lol, it's an absolute pile of crap. the only thing it has going for it is a ton of seats all filled with old people and uneducated masses. the area sucks complete ass. the restrooms suck complete ass. the concession and public areas suck complete ass. there is no tailgate atmosphere. getting to your seat is a cluster. it looks like garbage on the outside. god, just shut up GFA.

Agree. I always tell people this. I'm jealous of their past success and that they can garner that kind of fan support, but that stadium is horrible. Looks good from the field on TV though.

I'd agree that the endzones were haphazardly put together.

[WildcatNkilt]

Lapping KU in facilities upgrades is killing them.  I'm scared to watch the reactions if Currie were to announce a new phase before KU releases any of their future stadium plans.  Phoggers could be suicidal.

Yeah, I'd put money down that we're going to get renderings of Vanier 2.0 before Memorial gets a rendering for even a moderate face lift.

There's so much that has to be done before they even get to that phase with other facilities that need to be built (i.e. track).

We'll have some news on the next phases by the bowl game, I'm sure.  No inside info, but that seems to be how we're doing this.  There's too much momentum at this point and capital is flowing in too quickly for Currie not to step on the gas.

If it's true that we didn't have to borrow the 40m that was expected for the renovations, then I think it needs to be announced sooner.  The donors have ponied up a lot and if we have an average season we could easily see some donations drop off.  Need to keep the excitement rolling and not risk losing large donations due to an average season and a soon-to-be rough bball season.  Bowl season is a long ways out.  Also, any type of announcement.... doesn't have to be dramatic (limestone wall and video boards will bring plenty of excitement).

K-State borrowed $50 million, and the price tag for this phase of the Master Plan is $85 million.    So over $30 million of this thing will have to be paid straight out of pocket.

So my donor family friend who has one of those awesome new suites is wrong? 

I always thought it would be borrowed but I haven't seen anything that says it actually was borrowed.  Most of it was paid for out of pocket which is also why the talks of the next phases are more active than anyone thought they would be at this point.   

Are there any public documents out there that show what was borrowed and/or paid back?

[Havs]

If the WSC actually was a cruise ship, what cruise line would it be?
I think Royal Caribbean.

Disney. Because its the most magical place on earth.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Lapping KU in facilities upgrades is killing them.  I'm scared to watch the reactions if Currie were to announce a new phase before KU releases any of their future stadium plans.  Phoggers could be suicidal.

Yeah, I'd put money down that we're going to get renderings of Vanier 2.0 before Memorial gets a rendering for even a moderate face lift.

There's so much that has to be done before they even get to that phase with other facilities that need to be built (i.e. track).

We'll have some news on the next phases by the bowl game, I'm sure.  No inside info, but that seems to be how we're doing this.  There's too much momentum at this point and capital is flowing in too quickly for Currie not to step on the gas.

If it's true that we didn't have to borrow the 40m that was expected for the renovations, then I think it needs to be announced sooner.  The donors have ponied up a lot and if we have an average season we could easily see some donations drop off.  Need to keep the excitement rolling and not risk losing large donations due to an average season and a soon-to-be rough bball season.  Bowl season is a long ways out.  Also, any type of announcement.... doesn't have to be dramatic (limestone wall and video boards will bring plenty of excitement).

K-State borrowed $50 million, and the price tag for this phase of the Master Plan is $85 million.    So over $30 million of this thing will have to be paid straight out of pocket.

So my donor family friend who has one of those awesome new suites is wrong? 

I always thought it would be borrowed but I haven't seen anything that says it actually was borrowed.  Most of it was paid for out of pocket which is also why the talks of the next phases are more active than anyone thought they would be at this point.   

Are there any public documents out there that show what was borrowed and/or paid back?

We haven't paid any back yet on the newest bonds.   

[KITNfury]

I would stop feeding the Kstate trolls.  Their stadium is worlds better than the total piece of crap it was just 10 years ago.  They have done a nice job with what they have.  Drove by it the other day, and it looks like it'll be nice.  I wouldn't trade it for ours, but it is a nice facility, especially for how god awful it used to be.  So let's get back to Memorial Stadium.  I'm dying to hear some official word from the KUAD about current status and plans.

Seems pretty unbiased to me.

[WildcatNkilt]

I would stop feeding the Kstate trolls.  Their stadium is worlds better than the total piece of crap it was just 10 years ago.  They have done a nice job with what they have.  Drove by it the other day, and it looks like it'll be nice.  I wouldn't trade it for ours, but it is a nice facility, especially for how god awful it used to be.  So let's get back to Memorial Stadium.  I'm dying to hear some official word from the KUAD about current status and plans.

Seems pretty unbiased to me.

Yea I don't get this talking point.  Before WSC, I would have traded our stadium with almost any other BCS conference stadium out there (and KU's was still worse than ours). 

[Gooch]

If the WSC actually was a cruise ship, what cruise line would it be?
I think Royal Caribbean.

Crystal

Way to poor. Holland America is pretty bearable as cruises go.

[Gooch]

If the WSC actually was a cruise ship, what cruise line would it be?
I think Royal Caribbean.

Disney. Because its the most magical place on earth.

 

Jesus you can see the stink lines coming off that place.

[KITNfury]

I would stop feeding the Kstate trolls.  Their stadium is worlds better than the total piece of crap it was just 10 years ago.  They have done a nice job with what they have.  Drove by it the other day, and it looks like it'll be nice.  I wouldn't trade it for ours, but it is a nice facility, especially for how god awful it used to be.  So let's get back to Memorial Stadium.  I'm dying to hear some official word from the KUAD about current status and plans.

Seems pretty unbiased to me.

Yea I don't get this talking point.  Before WSC, I would have traded our stadium with almost any other BCS conference stadium out there (and KU's was still worse than ours).

Because they simply can't wrap their little heads around us having more than them. It's really no more complicated than that.

[timhawk]

 

I would stop feeding the Kstate trolls.  Their stadium is worlds better than the total piece of crap it was just 10 years ago.  They have done a nice job with what they have.  Drove by it the other day, and it looks like it'll be nice.  I wouldn't trade it for ours, but it is a nice facility, especially for how god awful it used to be.  So let's get back to Memorial Stadium.  I'm dying to hear some official word from the KUAD about current status and plans.

Seems pretty unbiased to me.

bigXIIpowercat

[Panjandrum]

What is the possibility of just bulldozing everything on the North side and building an indoor practice facility there that would connect to a Vanier 2.0 on the East side?

What is the possibility of just demolishing the entire East side and starting over?

It seems to me that you could knock this thing out in three more phases.  Assuming WSC is phase 1, the East Side/Vanier 2.0 would be Phase 2, NEZ/Indoor practice facility Phase 3, SEZ Phase 4.

How doable is this, and how much would it cost?  $150-200 million?

[KITNfury]

I would stop feeding the Kstate trolls.  Their stadium is worlds better than the total piece of crap it was just 10 years ago.  They have done a nice job with what they have.  Drove by it the other day, and it looks like it'll be nice.  I wouldn't trade it for ours, but it is a nice facility, especially for how god awful it used to be.  So let's get back to Memorial Stadium.  I'm dying to hear some official word from the KUAD about current status and plans.

Seems pretty unbiased to me.

bigXIIpowercat

ok?

[KITNfury]

What is the possibility of just bulldozing everything on the North side and building an indoor practice facility there that would connect to a Vanier 2.0 on the East side?

What is the possibility of just demolishing the entire East side and starting over?

It seems to me that you could knock this thing out in three more phases.  Assuming WSC is phase 1, the East Side/Vanier 2.0 would be Phase 2, NEZ/Indoor practice facility Phase 3, SEZ Phase 4.

How doable is this, and how much would it cost?  $150-200 million?

I don't think the east side is coming down.

[EMAWican]

What is the possibility of just bulldozing everything on the North side and building an indoor practice facility there that would connect to a Vanier 2.0 on the East side?

What is the possibility of just demolishing the entire East side and starting over?

It seems to me that you could knock this thing out in three more phases.  Assuming WSC is phase 1, the East Side/Vanier 2.0 would be Phase 2, NEZ/Indoor practice facility Phase 3, SEZ Phase 4.

How doable is this, and how much would it cost?  $150-200 million?

The East Side is "complete" and there to stay for the foreseeable future, with the exception of possible external modifications for aesthetics.  Any major demolition-based future phases will be centered on Vanier.

[Belvis Noland]

K-State borrowed $50 million, and the price tag for this phase of the Master Plan is $85 million.    So over $30 million of this thing will have to be paid straight out of pocket.

He must have known Synder was committed for that new 5 years because that's a huge risk without him at the helm.

Not risky at all.  The WSC is nothing but premium seats - with premium prices.  All of 40 suites, 36 loge boxes, and 800 club seats require "construction gifts" to even reserve a spot.  Prices for the Loges and Club Seats are on kstatesports.com.  A single club seat requires an upfront $15,000-$25,000 construction gift + $3,000 annual payment.  A single loge seat requires a $30,000-$40,000 construction gift + $3,750 annual payment. 

The Suites are contracted on 5, 7, and 9 year terms, costing $45,000 to $75,000 annually, plus one-time construction gifts that run up to six figures.

This thing will pay for itself quite easily, even if Snyder retires in 2-3 years. 

[Panjandrum]

What is the possibility of just bulldozing everything on the North side and building an indoor practice facility there that would connect to a Vanier 2.0 on the East side?

What is the possibility of just demolishing the entire East side and starting over?

It seems to me that you could knock this thing out in three more phases.  Assuming WSC is phase 1, the East Side/Vanier 2.0 would be Phase 2, NEZ/Indoor practice facility Phase 3, SEZ Phase 4.

How doable is this, and how much would it cost?  $150-200 million?

The East Side is "complete" and there to stay for the foreseeable future, with the exception of possible external modifications for aesthetics.  Any major demolition-based future phases will be centered on Vanier.

Alright, then.  Let's say if we leave the East side as is, according to Google Earth, we're looking at having 350' x 770' on the North side that we could demolish and build on top of for Vanier 2.0 and an indoor practice facility.

It would be pretty amazing to have a one stop shop, at the stadium, that could handle S&C, operations, and indoor practice facility all in the same place.  Move the outdoor practice fields across the street, and we're in business.

[Panjandrum]

This thing will pay for itself quite easily, even if Snyder retires in 2-3 years.

I don't think this is even happening at this point.  I think the guy is set on Paterno'ing this place.

[Belvis Noland]

Alright, then.  Let's say if we leave the East side as is, according to Google Earth, we're looking at having 350' x 770' on the North side that we could demolish and build on top of for Vanier 2.0 and an indoor practice facility.

It would be pretty amazing to have a one stop shop, at the stadium, that could handle S&C, operations, and indoor practice facility all in the same place.  Move the outdoor practice fields across the street, and we're in business.

No reason to touch the East Side structurally.  limestone it, reno the club, plant some (small) trees and call 'er a day. 

Location of indoor facility and practice facility is baffling though.  East parking lot and indoor/outdoor fields should be switched. 

[EMAWican]

The main theme/driver to all the Phases is to develop connectivity/continuity in and around the stadium (blending in with the BTF and fOOD), that eventually lead up to Vanier 2.0, the cherry on top.  This abides with the University's Master Plan as well. 

We won't see any major project at BSFS >~$20 million until Vanier 2.0.  It's hard for me to envision them relocating even the indoor practice facility to the N side, even with Vanier 2.0 completed. 

[SkinnyBenny]

What is the possibility of just bulldozing everything on the North side and building an indoor practice facility there that would connect to a Vanier 2.0 on the East side?

What is the possibility of just demolishing the entire East side and starting over?

It seems to me that you could knock this thing out in three more phases.  Assuming WSC is phase 1, the East Side/Vanier 2.0 would be Phase 2, NEZ/Indoor practice facility Phase 3, SEZ Phase 4.

How doable is this, and how much would it cost?  $150-200 million?

The East Side is "complete" and there to stay for the foreseeable future, with the exception of possible external modifications for aesthetics.  Any major demolition-based future phases will be centered on Vanier.

Except for how they're maybe gonna angle in the outer sections of the upper deck, right?

[GoodForAnother]

the east side is fine, just needs a limestone facade.  just the limestone from the new bathrooms makes it look a lot better.  hopefully they angle in the corners as well.  that's on the master plan, so hope it happens.  would make for better sightlines and more noise containment.

it seems to me we will see a full teardown and rebuild of vanier/nez.  it would be sick to get a new indoor facility right next to it as well but I don't know if that's in the master plan or not at this point.  honestly I go back and forth between which I want more: SEZ addition or NEZ rebuild.  it's a tough call for me because both would make our stadium look so much better.

[EMAWican]

What is the possibility of just bulldozing everything on the North side and building an indoor practice facility there that would connect to a Vanier 2.0 on the East side?

What is the possibility of just demolishing the entire East side and starting over?

It seems to me that you could knock this thing out in three more phases.  Assuming WSC is phase 1, the East Side/Vanier 2.0 would be Phase 2, NEZ/Indoor practice facility Phase 3, SEZ Phase 4.

How doable is this, and how much would it cost?  $150-200 million?

The East Side is "complete" and there to stay for the foreseeable future, with the exception of possible external modifications for aesthetics.  Any major demolition-based future phases will be centered on Vanier.

Except for how they're maybe gonna angle in the outer sections of the upper deck, right?

Yep.  Since Phase I, the East Side is "gud enuff" and there are other things that need to be addressed. 

[KITNfury]

I'm really looking forward to East side facade and Vanier 2.0.

[sonofdaxjones]

The main theme/driver to all the Phases is to develop connectivity/continuity in and around the stadium (blending in with the BTF and fOOD), that eventually lead up to Vanier 2.0, the cherry on top.  This abides with the University's Master Plan as well. 

We won't see any major project at BSFS >~$20 million until Vanier 2.0.  It's hard for me to envision them relocating even the indoor practice facility to the N side, even with Vanier 2.0 completed.

Welp, the orginal master plan had Vanier 2.0 last, however the rumors fluttering around that the Vaniers have said they're okay with Vanier 2.0 sooner as long as their name stays on it.   Other rumors fluttering about are that Snyder agrees that Vanier 2.0 is needed but no word as to if he'll be patient enough to allow for the construction process.

IMO the only and the most logistical efficent spot for Vanier 2.0 is starting from scratch in the North Endzone.   I don't think Northeast corner is viable, I don't think East Side is viable.    In my over thinking way, one way to get it done and make Snyder somewhat happy, is to build an entirely new practice complex across the street, with 2 outdoor fields and 1 indoor field.   Use the area for one of the practice fields as a place where a high end modular "city" is set up with offices, dressing rooms etc.   Build the new indoor facility first and make it big enough that an end area can be set up as a strength and conditioning area.   Then move the football staff and operations over to "modular city" as soon as the regular season ends, clear out the North Endzone, and then work like hell to ensure that at least the new dressing rooms and the stands are complete by the beginning of the next season.   

[GoodForAnother]

what if they just moved vanier and all practice stuff across the street, then tunneled under the street and into the stadium so that the players can pop out of the powercat at midfield.