BSFS Expansion Thread

[colsanders718]

However, looking at that portfolio, my expectations may end up being higher than they should be, but who knows?  It may end up looking great.

For 75-100M, your expectations should be high.  And this project should end up looking great.  If not, this project will be a failure.  With how much money we're spending, KSU should have an elite, worldclass facility.  Time will tell if AECOM/Heery can deliver what Populous would have.  I really hope we're not kicking ourselves in 2 years.  

According to Texas Tech their stadium expansion (one side as well) is only a $25 Million dollar project and it looks pretty impressive compared to the current BSFS http://www.depts.ttu.edu/communications/stadium/ . For 75-100Mil we better have one bad motha F#cka when this is all said and done... after all 100mil can buy a lot of limestone

Until then lets just keep doin what we do best  

 

[Belvis Noland]

Belvis, what exactly are you hoping for?  Be specific, you Mr. Architect, you!     Renderings would be great, too.

I'm not an architect.  But, I have family and friends who are.  I like more modern, clean structures.  I think that modern attempts at creating neoclassical, or even art deco architecture can sometimes suck.  Not always.  I think a lot of collegiate architecture tends to gravitate more toward traditional design to match their traditional campuses.  Pro stadiums & international stadiums - not so much.  I just get more excited about the aggressive, cool, sharp modern stuff.  

Newest stadium I've personally been to is LiveStrong Park in KCK.  I'd like to see something like the LiveStrong West Side pressbox/club at BSFS.  I'd also like to see some of KSU's more modern architecture incorporated.  The architects get paid to take these ideas and mold them into a cohesive, functional structure.  But, these are my thoughts.  And I'd love to see them incorporated.  Do not want to see something like TTech that basically just takes any building off of their campus and slaps it up at their stadium.  For instance, I'd hate to see a new, modern press box built behind the facade of Willard Hall or Hale Library.  Let's be dynamic like the University of Oregon.






  

Would NOT like to see:

[jtksu]

JFC this board is just full of idiots.

[Dugout DickStone]

JFC this board is just full of idiots.

yeah, you should split and show them all.

[sys]

belvis has horrible taste, don't let him near our elite heery 'tects.


oth, all of those pics in their portfolio look like crap.  oh well, it's just a fball stadium.

[sonofdaxjones]

AECOM also did the Gridiron Club:  Coming Fall 2010

So that's pretty impressive.

[jtksu]

Sometimes, frogs get in my garage and end up getting all dried out and jerky looking.  Bet Sys looks like that if he spends too much time over here.

[ew2x4]

I've done some renderings that would blow your guys mind. No stadiums though.

[jtksu]

When I was like 12, I drew a picture of this naked chick with gigantic boobs.

[Belvis Noland]

belvis has horrible taste, don't let him near our elite heery 'tects.

That may be.  But so does KSU, I guess.  Because the above posted photos are the 4 most recent additions to the Manhattan and satellite campuses. 

[chunkles]

I've done some renderings that would blow your guys mind. No stadiums though.

[kougar24]

I've done some renderings that would blow your guys mind. No stadiums though.

[ew2x4]

I've done some renderings that would blow your guys mind. No stadiums though.

Maybe not your mind. Definitely Kougar's though.

[kim carnes]

have you guys ever seen one of those houses made of dirt? like the Pueblo's lived in.

i hope they go that route.  the cost savings we'd realize over a steel build would make it worth considering.

Hmmm.... not bad.  Not bad at all.

[sys]

belvis has horrible taste, don't let him near our elite heery 'tects.

That may be.  But so does KSU, I guess.  Because the above posted photos are the 4 most recent additions to the Manhattan and satellite campuses. 

yes, i agree.  the clean, modern look that is so offensive and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is very popular among townies, tucks and commuter academics.

[kougar24]

I've done some renderings that would blow your guys mind. No stadiums though.

Maybe not your mind. Definitely Kougar's though.

[KITNfury]

in most scenarios, I love the modern look, but def don't want it on the stadium. this is because whatever looks modern now looks dated in X years. traditional Hale library look will blend forever.

[r-a-b]

no architect here, so don't know how this all works.  do the firms submit proposals on what they could do giving the financial parameters (renderings), or do they just bid on the project?  i would think we'd want all interested parties to submit what they would do giving our financial terms and what we all want included, by again, don't have any clue how this works, and not ashamed to admit it.

Firms typically present based on qualifications and project delivery ability given the timeline and budget.

In this instance, firms were prohibited from presenting design. 

There are no "bids" per se, it actually very unusual that fees are part of the initial selection process.

Upon selection, fee is then negotiated.

[Boakai]

in most scenarios, I love the modern look, but def don't want it on the stadium. this is because whatever looks modern now looks dated in X years. traditional Hale library look will blend forever.

Agreed. I tried to reflect that in my stadium photoshops and stay away from trendy features that were at risk of early aging. After a sometimes misguided foray into Bruitalist style architecture in the late 70's & 80s, K-State has done a better job of building a cohesive, more timeless look.

When Autzen's renovations were brand new I thought it was amazing looking, but in my eyes it has already aged poorly. Amon G. Carter's neo-gothic additions should age real well. The detail work was really well done. Of course with $115 mil. for that project you can afford to sweat the small stuff.

Firms typically present based on qualifications and project delivery ability given the timeline and budget.

In this instance, firms were prohibited from presenting design. 

There are no "bids" per se, it actually very unusual that fees are part of the initial selection process.

Upon selection, fee is then negotiated.

Hmm. So does that mean that you could shed some light on when the Ath. Dept. wanted to have the design phase completed?

[sys]

it actually very unusual that fees are part of the initial selection process.

Upon selection, fee is then negotiated.

the more i learn about how the world works, the more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) it seems.

[ew2x4]

it actually very unusual that fees are part of the initial selection process.

Upon selection, fee is then negotiated.

the more i learn about how the world works, the more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) it seems.

There's a lot of reasons for it. If they can't settle on a fee, it's not like they have to still use the firm.

[ew2x4]

I've done some renderings that would blow your guys mind. No stadiums though.

Maybe not your mind. Definitely Kougar's though.

Hey, isn't it that time of the year where you slop together a basketball court photoshop?

[r-a-b]

Hmm. So does that mean that you could shed some light on when the Ath. Dept. wanted to have the design phase completed?

From what I saw at various donor meetings up at K-State last year, Populous had progressed the design pretty far along.  The University had them do an entire master plan that phased out the expansion phases and laid out the program of the building level by level.  Currie showed renderings of the exterior and they had shots of views in all the club spaces, the hall of honor and stuff.  They made a presentation on the pro forma and showed all the suites available on each level and how much the donation level would be.  All this stuff was being showed publically.

This thing was really far along from what I could tell.  

Here's what I know, they have said all along they want this open by the first game of 2013.

So, it's going to be interesting to see what happens now that they're starting at square one with the new outfit.  I guess they could do what they usually do in China and attempt to hand them the design Populous created and just have them implement it.

I've talked with people connected to K-State over the last few days and I really believe reversing course at the 11th hour was not what they wanted to do, but felt it was necessary to avoid possible litigation stemming from the article.

[Trim]

LOL at transparency.

And I really need a pending claim against KSU so I can walk away with whatever I want and barely have to set foot in a courtroom.

[5601js]

Maybe it's naive, but I'm going to remain optimistic that KSU will dictate the outside appearance/aesthetics (complete with glass/steel/limestone,) and that Heery will be leaned on for interior features/layout.

Yeah, not really how it works.  Heery/AECOM will design the interior and exterior.  Obviously, the client will have influence, to a degree.

I know Heery will design the whole thing, that's what they are paid to do. My point was, KSU would direct them to how they want the outside to look, specifically major incorporations of limestone (and glass, hopefully)