Football Recruiting Thread

[kslim]

Jesus rough ridin' Christ guys shut up about stars, none of that crap even matters anymore

[PowercatPat]

Jesus rough ridin' Christ guys shut up about stars, none of that crap even matters anymore

The best teams get the highest rated players. Look at Bama, LSU, Oregon, Florida etc. They don't recruit 2 star DITR's.

[420seriouscat69]

God damn same conversation, EVERY YEAR!!!

[GoodForAnother]

God damn same conversation, EVERY YEAR!!!

it's amazing

[BRULL]

More stars = more criminals = more wins

What a great equation.

[kslim]

Jesus rough ridin' Christ guys shut up about stars, none of that crap even matters anymore

The best teams get the highest rated players. Look at Bama, LSU, Oregon, Florida etc. They don't recruit 2 star DITR's.

No but they also have good coaches, bobby flay could probably make crap taste decent with the right ingredients

[KITNfury]

 

Manhatter is great.  The rest of you Man-HATERS can gtfo.  This is a serious post by the way.  I can't stand it when people crap all over someone who takes the time to actually do some scouting.

And I'm being serious when I tell you to shove a glass thermometer in your urethra and hit your dick with a hammer.

[Shacks]

Jesus rough ridin' Christ guys shut up about stars, none of that crap even matters anymore

The best teams get the highest rated players. Look at Bama, LSU, Oregon, Florida etc. They don't recruit 2 star DITR's.

No but they also have good coaches, bobby flay could probably make crap taste decent with the right ingredients

Yeah, and if Bobby Flay had five star ingredients he could cook the best meal you've ever tasted in your entire life instead of something that was just decent.  Ingredients, just like recruiting stars/rankings, absolutely matter.  There's a reason why programs like USC under Carroll and Alabama right now kick everyone's ass - it's because they signed entire classes of 4* and 5* guys.

You can't even make the argument that stars don't matter for K-State.  I can confidently tell you that there is a 0% chance that our last two seasons are anywhere near as successful as they were had it not been for a **** receiver and a ***** linebacker.  Granted, they transferred to Manhattan rather than coming here straight out of high school, but my point still stands - we wouldn't have won 10 and 11 games without two players who were very highly rated.

[kostakio]

Jesus rough ridin' Christ guys shut up about stars, none of that crap even matters anymore

The best teams get the highest rated players. Look at Bama, LSU, Oregon, Florida etc. They don't recruit 2 star DITR's.

No but they also have good coaches, bobby flay could probably make crap taste decent with the right ingredients

Yeah, and if Bobby Flay had five star ingredients he could cook the best meal you've ever tasted in your entire life instead of something that was just decent.  Ingredients, just like recruiting stars/rankings, absolutely matter.  There's a reason why programs like USC under Carroll and Alabama right now kick everyone's ass - it's because they signed entire classes of 4* and 5* guys.

You can't even make the argument that stars don't matter for K-State.  I can confidently tell you that there is a 0% chance that our last two seasons are anywhere near as successful as they were had it not been for a **** receiver and a ***** linebacker.  Granted, they transferred to Manhattan rather than coming here straight out of high school, but my point still stands - we wouldn't have won 10 and 11 games without two players who were very highly rated.

We also wouldn't have won 10 or 11 games without any of a number of other three star, two star and even some non rated players.  I really don't see having those two proves anything when the overwhelming makeup of the team was non heralded guys.

Obviously it would be nice to have our pick of all the four and five star players. Snyder would probably win a title here every year if  that we're the case.  But it simply isn't going to happen not under snyder and not under any coach.  We have a formula that seems to work at ksu and it doesn't include those type of recruits.  Maybe we will pick up a highly rated transfer every once and awhile but it still has nothing to do with star ratings since they don't even give them stars.  I think you are missing one of the biggest points about the stars don't matter to Snyder argument.  He finds talent in a bunch of different ways including transfers and the star rankings do a poor job of measuring that. 

[ManBearPig]

We've offered this kid, and his top two schools are us and floodaggie. After watching his film below, he looks like a candidate for a position change to TE. Tall and athletic, but his frame looks like has the ability to carry a lot more weight. I'm hoping that's what the plan is...seeing as i am holding out hope for adding Emanuel Beal at WR.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Tyler-Ahrens-152071

[Shacks]

Jesus rough ridin' Christ guys shut up about stars, none of that crap even matters anymore

The best teams get the highest rated players. Look at Bama, LSU, Oregon, Florida etc. They don't recruit 2 star DITR's.

No but they also have good coaches, bobby flay could probably make crap taste decent with the right ingredients

Yeah, and if Bobby Flay had five star ingredients he could cook the best meal you've ever tasted in your entire life instead of something that was just decent.  Ingredients, just like recruiting stars/rankings, absolutely matter.  There's a reason why programs like USC under Carroll and Alabama right now kick everyone's ass - it's because they signed entire classes of 4* and 5* guys.

You can't even make the argument that stars don't matter for K-State.  I can confidently tell you that there is a 0% chance that our last two seasons are anywhere near as successful as they were had it not been for a **** receiver and a ***** linebacker.  Granted, they transferred to Manhattan rather than coming here straight out of high school, but my point still stands - we wouldn't have won 10 and 11 games without two players who were very highly rated.

We also wouldn't have won 10 or 11 games without any of a number of other three star, two star and even some non rated players.  I really don't see having those two proves anything when the overwhelming makeup of the team was non heralded guys.

Obviously it would be nice to have our pick of all the four and five star players. Snyder would probably win a title here every year if  that we're the case.  But it simply isn't going to happen not under snyder and not under any coach.  We have a formula that seems to work at ksu and it doesn't include those type of recruits.  Maybe we will pick up a highly rated transfer every once and awhile but it still has nothing to do with star ratings since they don't even give them stars.  I think you are missing one of the biggest points about the stars don't matter to Snyder argument.  He finds talent in a bunch of different ways including transfers and the star rankings do a poor job of measuring that.

My point was that if you replace Brown and Harper with your more typical Snyder players, there is no way they produce at the same level.  No doubt Snyder is BITB at turning chickenshit into chicken salad, but replacing those two guys with the average ** Snyder recruit would have cost the qatz a few games.  For example, chasing down RG3 while he was trying to scramble is something that requires 5* speed/acceleration.  RG3 gets a first down there if the walk-on from JoCo is playing MLB.

[kslim]

Jesus rough ridin' Christ guys shut up about stars, none of that crap even matters anymore

The best teams get the highest rated players. Look at Bama, LSU, Oregon, Florida etc. They don't recruit 2 star DITR's.

No but they also have good coaches, bobby flay could probably make crap taste decent with the right ingredients

Yeah, and if Bobby Flay had five star ingredients he could cook the best meal you've ever tasted in your entire life instead of something that was just decent.  Ingredients, just like recruiting stars/rankings, absolutely matter.  There's a reason why programs like USC under Carroll and Alabama right now kick everyone's ass - it's because they signed entire classes of 4* and 5* guys.

You can't even make the argument that stars don't matter for K-State.  I can confidently tell you that there is a 0% chance that our last two seasons are anywhere near as successful as they were had it not been for a **** receiver and a ***** linebacker.  Granted, they transferred to Manhattan rather than coming here straight out of high school, but my point still stands - we wouldn't have won 10 and 11 games without two players who were very highly rated.

We also wouldn't have won 10 or 11 games without any of a number of other three star, two star and even some non rated players.  I really don't see having those two proves anything when the overwhelming makeup of the team was non heralded guys.

Obviously it would be nice to have our pick of all the four and five star players. Snyder would probably win a title here every year if  that we're the case.  But it simply isn't going to happen not under snyder and not under any coach.  We have a formula that seems to work at ksu and it doesn't include those type of recruits.  Maybe we will pick up a highly rated transfer every once and awhile but it still has nothing to do with star ratings since they don't even give them stars.  I think you are missing one of the biggest points about the stars don't matter to Snyder argument.  He finds talent in a bunch of different ways including transfers and the star rankings do a poor job of measuring that.

My point was that if you replace Brown and Harper with your more typical Snyder players, there is no way they produce at the same level.  No doubt Snyder is BITB at turning chickenshit into chicken salad, but replacing those two guys with the average ** Snyder recruit would have cost the qatz a few games.  For example, chasing down RG3 while he was trying to scramble is something that requires 5* speed/acceleration.  RG3 gets a first down there if the walk-on from JoCo is playing MLB.

He isn't replacing brown with a two star. Pay more attention

[Jackstack99EMAW]

Jesus rough ridin' Christ guys shut up about stars, none of that crap even matters anymore

The best teams get the highest rated players. Look at Bama, LSU, Oregon, Florida etc. They don't recruit 2 star DITR's.

No but they also have good coaches, bobby flay could probably make crap taste decent with the right ingredients

Yeah, and if Bobby Flay had five star ingredients he could cook the best meal you've ever tasted in your entire life instead of something that was just decent.  Ingredients, just like recruiting stars/rankings, absolutely matter.  There's a reason why programs like USC under Carroll and Alabama right now kick everyone's ass - it's because they signed entire classes of 4* and 5* guys.

You can't even make the argument that stars don't matter for K-State.  I can confidently tell you that there is a 0% chance that our last two seasons are anywhere near as successful as they were had it not been for a **** receiver and a ***** linebacker.  Granted, they transferred to Manhattan rather than coming here straight out of high school, but my point still stands - we wouldn't have won 10 and 11 games without two players who were very highly rated.

We also wouldn't have won 10 or 11 games without any of a number of other three star, two star and even some non rated players.  I really don't see having those two proves anything when the overwhelming makeup of the team was non heralded guys.

Obviously it would be nice to have our pick of all the four and five star players. Snyder would probably win a title here every year if  that we're the case.  But it simply isn't going to happen not under snyder and not under any coach.  We have a formula that seems to work at ksu and it doesn't include those type of recruits.  Maybe we will pick up a highly rated transfer every once and awhile but it still has nothing to do with star ratings since they don't even give them stars.  I think you are missing one of the biggest points about the stars don't matter to Snyder argument.  He finds talent in a bunch of different ways including transfers and the star rankings do a poor job of measuring that.

My point was that if you replace Brown and Harper with your more typical Snyder players, there is no way they produce at the same level.  No doubt Snyder is BITB at turning chickenshit into chicken salad, but replacing those two guys with the average ** Snyder recruit would have cost the qatz a few games.  For example, chasing down RG3 while he was trying to scramble is something that requires 5* speed/acceleration.  RG3 gets a first down there if the walk-on from JoCo is playing MLB.

He isn't replacing brown with a two star. Pay more attention

You missed his point.

[ManBearPig]

Really hoping this thread can correct itself

[Jackstack99EMAW]

DT targets

[kslim]

I got his point and I get where he is coming from, my point is and as kstateo tuckish as it might sound ill take a good coaches evaluation over a piece of crap websites assessment of a recruit all day. I never said you can't be rough ridin' awesome without the browns/SAMs/harpers of the world and I never said we will be awesome with them.

You guys do understand how rivals stars work right? It's a bunch of DJamer Wally think tanks who get together and evaluate kids when 90% of them quit football in middle school

[ChiComCat]

And the DJamer Wally think tanks keep seeing talent similarly to NFL scouts:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/28/4278312/nfl-draft-2013-college-conference-recruiting

And before you say "There were more 3*s drafted than 5*s" stop and think for a moment how many more people are rated 3* year in year out.  Stars absolutely matter.  They aren't the only thing that matters but they are the only thing a bunch of message boarders can use to judge talent.  If you want to go with the "Snyder is recruiting him so he must be good" then be my guest.

[Mixed-Nutz]

And the DJamer Wally think tanks keep seeing talent similarly to NFL scouts:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/28/4278312/nfl-draft-2013-college-conference-recruiting

And before you say "There were more 3*s drafted than 5*s" stop and think for a moment how many more people are rated 3* year in year out.  Stars absolutely matter.  They aren't the only thing that matters but they are the only thing a bunch of message boarders can use to judge talent.  If you want to go with the "Snyder is recruiting him so he must be good" then be my guest.

Terrible logic, there was 140 players drafted that were not 4 or 5. So if you can evaluated at a high level you can still land great players.

[ChiComCat]

And the DJamer Wally think tanks keep seeing talent similarly to NFL scouts:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/28/4278312/nfl-draft-2013-college-conference-recruiting

And before you say "There were more 3*s drafted than 5*s" stop and think for a moment how many more people are rated 3* year in year out.  Stars absolutely matter.  They aren't the only thing that matters but they are the only thing a bunch of message boarders can use to judge talent.  If you want to go with the "Snyder is recruiting him so he must be good" then be my guest.

Terrible logic, there was 140 players drafted that were not 4 or 5. So if you can evaluated at a high level you can still land great players.

Of course if evaluate at a high level you can still land quality players. 

5 star: approx 2 in 3 get drafted
4 star: approx 1 in 4 get drafted
3 star: approx 1 in 8

I trust snyder's eval as much as anyone's, but clearly stars matter.

[kslim]

And the DJamer Wally think tanks keep seeing talent similarly to NFL scouts:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/28/4278312/nfl-draft-2013-college-conference-recruiting

And before you say "There were more 3*s drafted than 5*s" stop and think for a moment how many more people are rated 3* year in year out.  Stars absolutely matter.  They aren't the only thing that matters but they are the only thing a bunch of message boarders can use to judge talent.  If you want to go with the "Snyder is recruiting him so he must be good" then be my guest.

Terrible logic, there was 140 players drafted that were not 4 or 5. So if you can evaluated at a high level you can still land great players.

Of course if evaluate at a high level you can still land quality players. 

5 star: approx 2 in 3 get drafted
4 star: approx 1 in 4 get drafted
3 star: approx 1 in 8

I trust snyder's eval as much as anyone's, but clearly stars matter.

God damnit listen stars and the way recruits are evaluated is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Ole miss and Kentucky are killing it if you go by stars and both probably wont sniff even a bowl game, and don't say it's because they play teams full of 4 stars is why because we all know that's bullshit.

Can we please for the sake of humanity let this one die once and for all

[scottwildcat]

And the DJamer Wally think tanks keep seeing talent similarly to NFL scouts:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/28/4278312/nfl-draft-2013-college-conference-recruiting

And before you say "There were more 3*s drafted than 5*s" stop and think for a moment how many more people are rated 3* year in year out.  Stars absolutely matter.  They aren't the only thing that matters but they are the only thing a bunch of message boarders can use to judge talent.  If you want to go with the "Snyder is recruiting him so he must be good" then be my guest.

Terrible logic, there was 140 players drafted that were not 4 or 5. So if you can evaluated at a high level you can still land great players.

Of course if evaluate at a high level you can still land quality players. 

5 star: approx 2 in 3 get drafted
4 star: approx 1 in 4 get drafted
3 star: approx 1 in 8

I trust snyder's eval as much as anyone's, but clearly stars matter.

God damnit listen stars and the way recruits are evaluated is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Ole miss and Kentucky are killing it if you go by stars and both probably wont sniff even a bowl game, and don't say it's because they play teams full of 4 stars is why because we all know that's bullshit.

Can we please for the sake of humanity let this one die once and for all

They won't get to a bowl game because their best players will be freshmen have a first year HC and are playing in the SEC and one of their NonCons is vs L'ville. They will end up with 5 wins and might end up with 6 and go to a bowl. Stop being an idiot.

[kslim]

And the DJamer Wally think tanks keep seeing talent similarly to NFL scouts:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/28/4278312/nfl-draft-2013-college-conference-recruiting

And before you say "There were more 3*s drafted than 5*s" stop and think for a moment how many more people are rated 3* year in year out.  Stars absolutely matter.  They aren't the only thing that matters but they are the only thing a bunch of message boarders can use to judge talent.  If you want to go with the "Snyder is recruiting him so he must be good" then be my guest.

Terrible logic, there was 140 players drafted that were not 4 or 5. So if you can evaluated at a high level you can still land great players.

Of course if evaluate at a high level you can still land quality players. 

5 star: approx 2 in 3 get drafted
4 star: approx 1 in 4 get drafted
3 star: approx 1 in 8

I trust snyder's eval as much as anyone's, but clearly stars matter.

God damnit listen stars and the way recruits are evaluated is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Ole miss and Kentucky are killing it if you go by stars and both probably wont sniff even a bowl game, and don't say it's because they play teams full of 4 stars is why because we all know that's bullshit.

Can we please for the sake of humanity let this one die once and for all

They won't get to a bowl game because their best players will be freshmen have a first year HC and are playing in the SEC and one of their NonCons is vs L'ville. They will end up with 5 wins and might end up with 6 and go to a bowl. Stop being an idiot.

Playing in the SEC? Minus the top three that conference is dog crap, don't give them a free pass because of their conference

Btw depending on what recruiting service you look at bridge water was a three star

[scottwildcat]

Florida, Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, and Louisville is a pretty salty schedule.

And the DJamer Wally think tanks keep seeing talent similarly to NFL scouts:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/28/4278312/nfl-draft-2013-college-conference-recruiting

And before you say "There were more 3*s drafted than 5*s" stop and think for a moment how many more people are rated 3* year in year out.  Stars absolutely matter.  They aren't the only thing that matters but they are the only thing a bunch of message boarders can use to judge talent.  If you want to go with the "Snyder is recruiting him so he must be good" then be my guest.

Terrible logic, there was 140 players drafted that were not 4 or 5. So if you can evaluated at a high level you can still land great players.

Of course if evaluate at a high level you can still land quality players. 

5 star: approx 2 in 3 get drafted
4 star: approx 1 in 4 get drafted
3 star: approx 1 in 8

I trust snyder's eval as much as anyone's, but clearly stars matter.

God damnit listen stars and the way recruits are evaluated is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Ole miss and Kentucky are killing it if you go by stars and both probably wont sniff even a bowl game, and don't say it's because they play teams full of 4 stars is why because we all know that's bullshit.

Can we please for the sake of humanity let this one die once and for all

They won't get to a bowl game because their best players will be freshmen have a first year HC and are playing in the SEC and one of their NonCons is vs L'ville. They will end up with 5 wins and might end up with 6 and go to a bowl. Stop being an idiot.

Playing in the SEC? Minus the top three that conference is dog crap, don't give them a free pass because of their conference

Btw depending on what recruiting service you look at bridge water was a three star

Btw we picked up 5 two stars. not 5 three stars depending on the recruiting service also both scout and rivals had him as a 4 star, 6th best QB in the nation, 23rd best player in Florida and 113th nationally with offers from Louisville, LSU, Miami, LSU, and Florida

[wetwillie]

Bill just isn't very good at recruiting elite athletes.

[Mixed-Nutz]

And the DJamer Wally think tanks keep seeing talent similarly to NFL scouts:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/4/28/4278312/nfl-draft-2013-college-conference-recruiting

And before you say "There were more 3*s drafted than 5*s" stop and think for a moment how many more people are rated 3* year in year out.  Stars absolutely matter.  They aren't the only thing that matters but they are the only thing a bunch of message boarders can use to judge talent.  If you want to go with the "Snyder is recruiting him so he must be good" then be my guest.

Terrible logic, there was 140 players drafted that were not 4 or 5. So if you can evaluated at a high level you can still land great players.

Of course if evaluate at a high level you can still land quality players. 

5 star: approx 2 in 3 get drafted
4 star: approx 1 in 4 get drafted
3 star: approx 1 in 8

I trust snyder's eval as much as anyone's, but clearly stars matter.

Stars are indicators. Not results, results matter. Indicators are nice.