Football Recruiting Thread

[Panjandrum]

Star Power:  How Rivals rankings hold up to the NFL Draft

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Star-Power-How-recruiting-rankings-hold-up-at-t?urn=ncaaf-wp1103

In summation, stars do matter - statistically.

Honestly, when you're looking at top tier talent and difference makers, you're most definitely going to see that kind of correlation.  But what about the other 220ish picks in the draft?

When we were racking up eleven win seasons, we were getting a bunch of mid-to-late round picks.  It was the sheer number of kids we were getting drafted, period, that was an indication of depth.

I don't disagree with what you put forward at all.  When you're looking at the cream of the crop in a draft class, it probably will be one of the top 250 kids that are ranked four stats and higher coming out of high school.  But when you're looking at assembling a winning football team, you need depth in addition to those playmakers.  That's where the three stars come in.

Snyder was 100% correct when he said they messed up when they were going after the four and five star kids.  They were striking out way too much at the end of the DOD, and they didn't have any back up plans.  What he's assembling is a roster full of solid-to-good, and that's enough to win us a lot of games and give the next coach a solid foundation to work from.   

[stunted]

Star Power:  How Rivals rankings hold up to the NFL Draft

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Star-Power-How-recruiting-rankings-hold-up-at-t?urn=ncaaf-wp1103

In summation, stars do matter - statistically.

Honestly, when you're looking at top tier talent and difference makers, you're most definitely going to see that kind of correlation.  But what about the other 220ish picks in the draft?

When we were racking up eleven win seasons, we were getting a bunch of mid-to-late round picks.  It was the sheer number of kids we were getting drafted, period, that was an indication of depth.

I don't disagree with what you put forward at all.  When you're looking at the cream of the crop in a draft class, it probably will be one of the top 250 kids that are ranked four stats and higher coming out of high school.  But when you're looking at assembling a winning football team, you need depth in addition to those playmakers.  That's where the three stars come in.

Snyder was 100% correct when he said they messed up when they were going after the four and five star kids.  They were striking out way too much at the end of the DOD, and they didn't have any back up plans.  What he's assembling is a roster full of solid-to-good, and that's enough to win us a lot of games and give the next coach a solid foundation to work from.   

[Andy]

which of course only takes a little over a year to completely undo.

[Panjandrum]

which of course only takes a little over a year to completely undo.

Not really.  Last time, Snyder's slide was a good four or five years in the making.  They were able to mask it with good recruits from 99-00 and some solid JUCO adds.

[EMAW4life-JHL]

I'm really just tired of watching Hartman get burned by average Big 12 WR's. I have faith in Snyder, despite the star rankings, to find solid underrated players. We just need to get assistants that can recruit like a Reggie Mitchell.

[treysolid]

i honestly thought that JBC's in-state recruiting was going to be better than it has

[hawginar]

Snyder made his teams viable during the DOD. By recruiting Juco studs when no one else was doing it. But now the OU's and Nubbs caught on and challenge us for the players we we're loxking down year to year...... In tge 90' s we would have, landed C. Newton with little competion.

What on earth is this?

   and  when should of 

[jtksu]

I'm really just tired of watching Hartman get burned by average Big 12 WR's. I have faith in Snyder, despite the star rankings, to find solid underrated players. We just need to get assistants that can recruit like a Reggie Mitchell.

To be fair, Hartman has done decently well against the decent receivers in the conference.  It's the Wrights, Blackmons, etc that really make him look completely worthless.

[EMAW4life-JHL]

I'm really just tired of watching Hartman get burned by average Big 12 WR's. I have faith in Snyder, despite the star rankings, to find solid underrated players. We just need to get assistants that can recruit like a Reggie Mitchell.

To be fair, Hartman has done decently well against the decent receivers in the conference.  It's the Wrights, Blackmons, etc that really make him look completely worthless.

I dont remember a single game where I didn't think he was terrible.

[MobDeep]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2995

All three of our JUCO Commits jumped into the top 50.

Clark was the biggest jump up to #16 and is now a 

Rooks down to #23 and a 

Hollingshed #47

Lozano is #50 and would be a nice get

Mike Pennel is the biggest JUCO prospect we have left on the board at #36 Would be a huge get if we can pull him in

 

[That_Guy]

....... Rooks down to a three star?  

what the f*ck

[Stevesie60]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2995

Lozano is #50 and would be a nice get

Mike Pennel is the biggest JUCO prospect we have left on the board at #36 Would be a huge get if we can pull him in

 

Lozano is 6'8" and 360? Yes, would very much like to get him. Looks like if anyone is leading, it'd be us. Pennel looks just as amazing though.

[MobDeep]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2995

Lozano is #50 and would be a nice get

Mike Pennel is the biggest JUCO prospect we have left on the board at #36 Would be a huge get if we can pull him in

 

Lozano is 6'8" and 360? Yes, would very much like to get him. Looks like if anyone is leading, it'd be us. Pennel looks just as amazing though.

Pennel is about 6'5 340, a hog in the middle, and moves extremely well for his size. His technique is his weak point, but that can be corrected. You can't teach size and athleticism.

[Panjandrum]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2995

Lozano is #50 and would be a nice get

Mike Pennel is the biggest JUCO prospect we have left on the board at #36 Would be a huge get if we can pull him in

 

Lozano is 6'8" and 360? Yes, would very much like to get him. Looks like if anyone is leading, it'd be us. Pennel looks just as amazing though.

My first thought when seeing Lozano's measurables was "Phil Loadholt".  However, I've never seen him play, so I can't say yes or no either way.

Pennel would be an amazing grab.  That size would be fantastic at the NT.

I hate to brag, but somewhere in this thread, I said Hollinghsed would be a three star, 5.6, Top 50 kid.  I just need to go find it.

Hatter was dead on when he said Clark would get ranked.  After that kind of season, he'd have to be 4 stars.

This offense is going to be a monster the next couple of years.  Wow.

[Panjandrum]

Quote from: Dlew12 on October 04, 2011, 08:42:32 PM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on October 04, 2011, 08:40:26 PM
Seems like a good commit: http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Wesley-Hollingshed-125588
We needed a big juco dt. 

Very happy with this fella.

Video looks really good.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TVCCcardinalfootball#p/a/u/1/t0wTKLTfveY

Michael Smith was the recruiter.  Hmm.  Not a bad pull. I bet he's 3-star 5.6 on the Rivals scale at some point.  Maybe Top 50.

Love his size and how he stays low to the ground.  Uses his hands well.  Tends to gobble up ball carriers.

Class of 2009.  2 star.  Committed to Nevada.  Probably means he's 2x2.

Yesssss.

[Fuktard]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2995

Lozano is #50 and would be a nice get

Mike Pennel is the biggest JUCO prospect we have left on the board at #36 Would be a huge get if we can pull him in

 

Lozano is 6'8" and 360? Yes, would very much like to get him. Looks like if anyone is leading, it'd be us. Pennel looks just as amazing though.

My first thought when seeing Lozano's measurables was "Phil Loadholt".  However, I've never seen him play, so I can't say yes or no either way.

Pennel would be an amazing grab.  That size would be fantastic at the NT.

I hate to brag, but somewhere in this thread, I said Hollinghsed would be a three star, 5.6, Top 50 kid.  I just need to go find it.

Hatter was dead on when he said Clark would get ranked.  After that kind of season, he'd have to be 4 stars.

This offense is going to be a monster the next couple of years.  Wow.

No disrespect meant but it needs to be mentioned that the offense would be a bigger potential moster had Rooks kept his 4 star ranking.  Now that he is a simple 3 star, our recruiting sucks and Old Ballz sucks and such and whatnot.

[pissclams]

"The West Virginia staff is a little younger "

 

I used to care about that, but honestly, the age of the staff is kind of pointless.

I mean, what are you looking for?  Some guy that's going to go out there and take you out for a beer?

You think the age of the staff is pointless now, or back when you were 18?

I believe the age of the staff is pointless now, but I had convinced myself that it was really significant before.

Besides, Rooks isn't 18.  He's most likely 20 or 21.  He should be looking for a program that will best get him prepared for a chance at the NFL.  If WVU has a better OL coach that can get him there, fine.  If he just wants to play for a younger guy, then he needs someone to help him check his priorities.

Read the whole quote:

"The West Virginia staff is a little younger but they're a really good staff as well and Coach Holgorsen has some swag about him," said Rooks. "It's a little more loose in the sense that you're a football player but also a college student. They just let you be yourself."

Heaven forbid a CFB player want to enjoy himself while in college. It isn't like we have O-Line U in Manhattan or something. Jesus, some of you people.

i can't believe you guys took Rook's quote to say that having the younger staff is a good thing.  hilarious.

"At Kansas State, they have a great group of experienced coaches who have been there a long time," explains the 280 pound offensive tackle.

experienced is the word he used, not old.  dumbasses.

"The West Virginia staff is a little younger but they're a really good staff as well

younger = not as experienced, hence the "but they're a good staff too"

lulz

[pissclams]

This year's class is actually pretty solid when you mix the grayshirts in.

This is one of my most hated GPC talking points

you certainly know your GPC talking points, don't you now?

[jtksu]

Curious how many more OL Snyder has put in the NFL than WVU has over the same time frame.

[felix rex]

Curious how many more OL Snyder has put in the NFL than WVU has over the same time frame.

Seven.

[Cire]

no one cares about OL fwiw

[That_Guy]

no one cares about OL fwiw

...... a good OLine is what leads to good offensive success. So yeah at least I care about the Offensive line

[Panjandrum]

no one cares about OL fwiw

From a recruiting rankings standpoint, sure.  However, ever OC in the history of football with disagree with you.

[EMAW4life-JHL]

If by some stroke of luck we land Cordarelle Patterson, Pennel, and Lazono then I will be one excited EMAWer

[That_Guy]

If by some stroke of luck we land Cordarelle Patterson, Pennel, and Lazono then I will be one excited EMAWer

we'll need a crap-ton of luck just for this one