Football Recruiting Thread

[OlatheWildcat]

I didn't see Wesley Hollingshed mentioned. 3* JUCO DT, 300#, listed offers include KU, Marshall, and Mississippi State.

[catzacker]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions.  

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

are you comparing fball three stars w/ bball three stars while at the same time trying to say that frank has previously had a ton of mentions?

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i'm comparing the mediocre results, contrasting the manner by which those results are achieved and opining on the inconsistent view of each coach's recruiting by some on this board.

So, to be clear, Bill going 10-2 and Frank winning over a hundred games in a shade over four years, with three NCAA tournament appearances and an Elite 8 run, are mediocre results?

That's the end result of their recruiting by which they should be judged.

(Firmly continues tucking in shirt.)

i was referring to their recruiting results, dickface.  not their on field results.  and also taking a shot at people that like frank's recruiting but don't like snyder's.  you either like both or neither, because they are the same.

[Mixed-Nutz]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions.  

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

are you comparing fball three stars w/ bball three stars while at the same time trying to say that frank has previously had a ton of mentions?

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i'm comparing the mediocre results, contrasting the manner by which those results are achieved and opining on the inconsistent view of each coach's recruiting by some on this board.

So, to be clear, Bill going 10-2 and Frank winning over a hundred games in a shade over four years, with three NCAA tournament appearances and an Elite 8 run, are mediocre results?

That's the end result of their recruiting by which they should be judged.

(Firmly continues tucking in shirt.)

i was referring to their recruiting results, dickface.  not their on field results.  and also taking a shot at people that like frank's recruiting but don't like snyder's.  you either like both or neither, because they are the same.

  Most of franks recruits are top 150 players, they don't compare at all, this is just foolish.

[kougar24]

Yeah, comparing bball and fball recruiting based solely on stars is pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), 'zack. You're better than that.

[jtksu]

Comparing any football recruiting to any basketball recruiting is pretty silly.  Quite a bit of the average football class isn't expected to really be a major factor.  You sign some kids that will build depth and maybe (someday) contribute on the field.  Seems like, in basketball, every guy you sign is expected to be a significant factor at some point in their career.    Also, Michael Smith is doing a pretty nice job recruiting this year.

[Panjandrum]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions.  

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

are you comparing fball three stars w/ bball three stars while at the same time trying to say that frank has previously had a ton of mentions?

.

i'm comparing the mediocre results, contrasting the manner by which those results are achieved and opining on the inconsistent view of each coach's recruiting by some on this board.

So, to be clear, Bill going 10-2 and Frank winning over a hundred games in a shade over four years, with three NCAA tournament appearances and an Elite 8 run, are mediocre results?

That's the end result of their recruiting by which they should be judged.

(Firmly continues tucking in shirt.)

i was referring to their recruiting results, dickface.  not their on field results.  and also taking a shot at people that like frank's recruiting but don't like snyder's.  you either like both or neither, because they are the same.

Dude, I'm giving you a hard time.  It's cool, man.

[Panjandrum]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions. 

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

are you comparing fball three stars w/ bball three stars while at the same time trying to say that frank has previously had a ton of mentions?

.

i'm comparing the mediocre results, contrasting the manner by which those results are achieved and opining on the inconsistent view of each coach's recruiting by some on this board.

So, to be clear, Bill going 10-2 and Frank winning over a hundred games in a shade over four years, with three NCAA tournament appearances and an Elite 8 run, are mediocre results?

That's the end result of their recruiting by which they should be judged.

(Firmly continues tucking in shirt.)

yeah the results over the past couple of years are pretty great for both. i guess i'm just not sure how you can compare a three star like southwell that was also rivals top 150 and top 25 at his position to pretty much every single three star from football that is not rated nationally at all in any way shape or form. i mean i guess you can, but...

It's different ratings scales, really.  Everybody is basically a three-star in basketball.  They don't really break that stuff out.  It's the numerical lists that separate everyone, as you mention, and Frank has pulled a lot of guys from the lists.  The football side gets much more in depth between stars, sub-ratings within stars, etc.

It's apples to oranges.

[stunted]

Suck it West Virgina

[That_Guy]

Suck it West Virgina

....and Pittsburgh.

It feels good actually out-recruiting other big time schools.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Suck it West Virgina

....and Pittsburgh.

It feels good actually out-recruiting other big time schools.

especially when they are our conference rivals

[Pete]

We have to be thinking about moving one or more of those WR's to Saftey, don't we?

[MadCat]

Looks like Evan Boehm recommitted to Missouri (according to Scotchy):
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2314

 

[EMAW4life-JHL]

MU can't even get the top three players in their state. At least KSU and KU have each other to compete with. Who does MU compete with? UMKC?

[Dugout DickStone]

Looks like Evan Boehm recommitted to Missouri (according to Scotchy):
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2314

 

Confirmed on 810.  Would have been a nice grab for Dickey.

[DQ12]

Sorry Auburn, WVU, Pittsburgh, Utah, but I want to be a Wildcat.  Good luck and God bless.

I'd also like to apologize to Pittsburgh.  I too am a Wildcat.  Good luck and God bless.

[stunted]

Too cute!

[Panjandrum]

Suck it West Virgina

....and Pittsburgh.

It feels good actually out-recruiting other big time schools.

This is where having the stigma of being a JUCO factory is a good thing.

[catzacker]

It's different ratings scales, really.  Everybody is basically a three-star in basketball.  They don't really break that stuff out.  It's the numerical lists that separate everyone, as you mention, and Frank has pulled a lot of guys from the lists.  The football side gets much more in depth between stars, sub-ratings within stars, etc.

It's apples to oranges.

 You can’t do it on a “star for star” basis but if you look at what their recruiting classes are w/in their individual sport, then you can.   When I referenced 3 stars, I was making a general statement to describe average players (relative to their respective sport). IMO, Frank’s recruiting classes since 08 are average classes when you compare them to the rest of the big 12/country.  You might be able to make the case that they have been above average when you factor in the transfers that have made an impact.  (...does this sound familiar?)  The difference is that along the way, frank’s gotten mentioned with elite-ish players, bill really hasn’t.  

[michigancat]

It's different ratings scales, really.  Everybody is basically a three-star in basketball.  They don't really break that stuff out.  It's the numerical lists that separate everyone, as you mention, and Frank has pulled a lot of guys from the lists.  The football side gets much more in depth between stars, sub-ratings within stars, etc.

It's apples to oranges.

 You can’t do it on a “star for star” basis but if you look at what their recruiting classes are w/in their individual sport, then you can.   When I referenced 3 stars, I was making a general statement to describe average players (relative to their respective sport). IMO, Frank’s recruiting classes since 08 are average classes when you compare them to the rest of the big 12/country.  You might be able to make the case that they have been above average when you factor in the transfers that have made an impact.  (...does this sound familiar?)  The difference is that along the way, frank’s gotten mentioned with elite-ish players, bill really hasn’t. 

Who has Bill landed comparable to Upshaw, who is top 50 on Rivals and had offers (and visited) both Louisville and Georgetown? Or even Gipson, who had offers from WVU, OSU, and Cal? Out of the 10 current high school commits for Snyder, the only other BCS offers are Baylor and TCU for one guy and Indiana for another.

And Frank's recruiting classes have averaged out higher relative to the Big 12/nationally than Bill's since whenever Bill came back. For sure.

[catzacker]

It's different ratings scales, really.  Everybody is basically a three-star in basketball.  They don't really break that stuff out.  It's the numerical lists that separate everyone, as you mention, and Frank has pulled a lot of guys from the lists.  The football side gets much more in depth between stars, sub-ratings within stars, etc.

It's apples to oranges.

 You can’t do it on a “star for star” basis but if you look at what their recruiting classes are w/in their individual sport, then you can.   When I referenced 3 stars, I was making a general statement to describe average players (relative to their respective sport). IMO, Frank’s recruiting classes since 08 are average classes when you compare them to the rest of the big 12/country.  You might be able to make the case that they have been above average when you factor in the transfers that have made an impact.  (...does this sound familiar?)  The difference is that along the way, frank’s gotten mentioned with elite-ish players, bill really hasn’t. 

Who has Bill landed comparable to Upshaw, who is top 50 on Rivals and had offers (and visited) both Louisville and Georgetown? Or even Gipson, who had offers from WVU, OSU, and Cal? Out of the 10 current high school commits for Snyder, the only other BCS offers are Baylor and TCU for one guy and Indiana for another.

And Frank's recruiting classes have averaged out higher relative to the Big 12/nationally than Bill's since whenever Bill came back. For sure.

Bill just landed Clark and Rooks (#11 juco), both w/ high major offers/visits.  Sams was getting all kinds of attention from OU.  You can't just compare HS to HS, have to take the class as a whole and how they compare.  Is Frank's recruiting better than:  KU, UT, Baylor, OSU?  If it's not, then he'd be 5th...in a 10 team league.  which would be average. 

[LickNeckey]

Michael Smith...  Blowin Up 

guy should be a fantastic recruiter seemed to get lazy at end of first tenure,  seems motivated now

[Benja]

It's different ratings scales, really.  Everybody is basically a three-star in basketball.  They don't really break that stuff out.  It's the numerical lists that separate everyone, as you mention, and Frank has pulled a lot of guys from the lists.  The football side gets much more in depth between stars, sub-ratings within stars, etc.

It's apples to oranges.

 You can’t do it on a “star for star” basis but if you look at what their recruiting classes are w/in their individual sport, then you can.   When I referenced 3 stars, I was making a general statement to describe average players (relative to their respective sport). IMO, Frank’s recruiting classes since 08 are average classes when you compare them to the rest of the big 12/country.  You might be able to make the case that they have been above average when you factor in the transfers that have made an impact.  (...does this sound familiar?)  The difference is that along the way, frank’s gotten mentioned with elite-ish players, bill really hasn’t. 

Who has Bill landed comparable to Upshaw, who is top 50 on Rivals and had offers (and visited) both Louisville and Georgetown? Or even Gipson, who had offers from WVU, OSU, and Cal? Out of the 10 current high school commits for Snyder, the only other BCS offers are Baylor and TCU for one guy and Indiana for another.

And Frank's recruiting classes have averaged out higher relative to the Big 12/nationally than Bill's since whenever Bill came back. For sure.

Bill just landed Clark and Rooks (#11 juco), both w/ high major offers/visits.  Sams was getting all kinds of attention from OU.  You can't just compare HS to HS, have to take the class as a whole and how they compare.  Is Frank's recruiting better than:  KU, UT, Baylor, OSU?  If it's not, then he'd be 5th...in a 10 team league.  which would be average. 

K-State had the last ranked football recruiting class in the conference last year, what the eff are you talking about?

[wabash909]

Can somebody explain Clark to me?  Could use a good talking to, because I'm not sure exactly what I'm missing.

The dude allegedly runs a sub-4.4 40, is 6'-0" and absolutely tore up a legit JUCO league.  

I'm trying to get why he's not even ranked as a Top 50 JC prospect and only had one other D-1 offer.

[steve dave]

qualifying risk?

[michigancat]

Is Frank's recruiting better than:  KU, UT, Baylor, OSU?  If it's not, then he'd be 5th...in a 10 team league.  which would be average.  

Is Bill's recruiting better than UT, TT, Baylor, OSU, OU, TCU, and WVU? If not, he's 8th...in a 10 team league. which would be below average.