Football Recruiting Thread

[Katpappy]

Remember, everyone who complains about recruiting thinks K-State should be landing nothing but 4 or 5 star kids.

Good point SODJ, should we be searching for DITR's?   

[wabash909]

Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish....

[Katpappy]

This year's class is actually pretty solid when you mix the grayshirts in.

This is one of my most hated GPC talking points

You get 25 players.  When you put this 'class' with those guys, you look up and down, and you see 18 players thus far that look pretty solid.  There are some high ceiling guys in there.  All of them look like D1 athletes.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but if you think recruiting rankings are stupid (which I do, regardless of whether or not it's a tuck talking point), who cares how many stars a guy has?  If you can look at film and go, "Yeah, I see where and how he fits.  Good pull," then it's a good pull.

If you recruit a guy like Billy Cosh that makes no sense in your system, has no offers, and you have no idea why you offered him in the first place, you say, "Bad job."

Not all of Leach's classes were highly ranked either, but he killed it because he knew what he was looking for, and you could look at a Tech class and go, "Ah, yeah, that's a good class for him."  Same with Patterson.  If he pulled about thirteen running backs from Texas, you knew the defense was going to continue to kill it, regardless of the class ranking.

Why folks around here get hung up on football recruiting rankings makes no sense to me.  It's not like there's some mechanism like AAU for football that allows the elite to play against each other a hundred times outside of high school games.  It's all a crap shoot.  I find it strange that such intelligent people (and I mean that sincerely) get so bent out of shape over this.

If Snyder recruits a bunch of non-qualifiers, get mad.  If he recruits a bunch of kids at the last minute from Garden City or Hays, get mad.  But what he's doing now is what he did when we built the DOD.  I don't know why people hate on it so much.

Pan, your the man.  I enjoy your posts with your football knowledge and views.  They are up there with Manhatter and KSU_Fan. 

[wazucat]

Welp, just like clockwork the tucks have dusted off the annual "Stars Don't Matter" debate amongst themselves to defend our piss poor recruiting.

Hey, why settle for first when second is available, right?

This year's class is actually pretty solid when you mix the grayshirts in.  There's a ton of prep players in there.

We've got about five weeks until signing day.  I'm sure we'll see about 5-6 JUCO guys and a late qualifier or something sneak in to round it out.

I feel pretty good about it, overall.   

KSU's program has one of the best overall success rates historically for getting JUCO players drafted, graduated, or at a minimum having  productive college careers, with that selling point to recruits available, any time this staff gets beat out on a JUCO it has to be considered a failure.

[catzacker]

frank martin recruiting is LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions. 

[WillieWatanabe]

frank martin recruiting is LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions. 

wut

[Panjandrum]

Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish....

The numbers we should be focusing on, ultimately, are how many players we send to the NFL, IMO.

 

(You know that I have to play Devil's Advocate on this.)

[Katpappy]

Often times the difference between a five star and a three star is polish....

The numbers we should be focusing on, ultimately, are how many players we send to the NFL, IMO.

 
Good point, shows what most players are trying to achieve.  Also, aren't we ranked high in the Big IX for number of players sent to NFL. 
(You know that I have to play Devil's Advocate on this.)

[Panjandrum]

Sounds like Marquez Clark signed with KSU?  Truth?

[DQ12]

If Squeeks says MC is a wildcat, MC is a wildcat.

[catzacker]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions. 

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

[wabash909]

Sounds like Marquez Clark signed with KSU?  Truth?

Confirmed.

[wabash909]

Rooks is a cat.   

[The1BigWillie]

So Rooks and Clark signed... that's like... good right?

[Panjandrum]

So Rooks and Clark signed... that's like... good right?

Very.

[420seriouscat69]

OH MY! 

[Dr Rick Daris]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions. 

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

are you comparing fball three stars w/ bball three stars while at the same time trying to say that frank has previously had a ton of mentions?

[DQ12]

Let's hear a wildcat growl, TR!
 

[catzacker]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions. 

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

are you comparing fball three stars w/ bball three stars while at the same time trying to say that frank has previously had a ton of mentions?

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i'm comparing the mediocre results, contrasting the manner by which those results are achieved and opining on the inconsistent view of each coach's recruiting by some on this board.

[sonofdaxjones]

Fire up the coffee pots!!

[420seriouscat69]

God damnt catzacker stfu. Huge day for the wild wildcats in the recruiting trail today. Don't ruin this for me.  

[Rams]

So Rooks and Clark signed... that's like... good right?

Very.

Calm down you guys.  We suck at recruiting.

[Panjandrum]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions. 

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

are you comparing fball three stars w/ bball three stars while at the same time trying to say that frank has previously had a ton of mentions?

.

i'm comparing the mediocre results, contrasting the manner by which those results are achieved and opining on the inconsistent view of each coach's recruiting by some on this board.

So, to be clear, Bill going 10-2 and Frank winning over a hundred games in a shade over four years, with three NCAA tournament appearances and an Elite 8 run, are mediocre results?

That's the end result of their recruiting by which they should be judged.

(Firmly continues tucking in shirt.)

[WillieWatanabe]

surprised we got both. nice

[Dr Rick Daris]

frank martin recruiting is LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder recruiting without the mentions. 

wut

somehow people are ok with franks recruiting because he gets mentions,but we end up with a bunch of 3 stars.  Bill ends up with a bunch of 3stars, but without the cocktease.

are you comparing fball three stars w/ bball three stars while at the same time trying to say that frank has previously had a ton of mentions?

.

i'm comparing the mediocre results, contrasting the manner by which those results are achieved and opining on the inconsistent view of each coach's recruiting by some on this board.

So, to be clear, Bill going 10-2 and Frank winning over a hundred games in a shade over four years, with three NCAA tournament appearances and an Elite 8 run, are mediocre results?

That's the end result of their recruiting by which they should be judged.

(Firmly continues tucking in shirt.)

yeah the results over the past couple of years are pretty great for both. i guess i'm just not sure how you can compare a three star like southwell that was also rivals top 150 and top 25 at his position to pretty much every single three star from football that is not rated nationally at all in any way shape or form. i mean i guess you can, but...