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« Reply #1175 on: December 06, 2010, 09:20:41 AM »
The depths of their suckitude is frightening at times.  Even after all of these years.

Can barely wait for Michael 'The Closer' Smith to Umeh the Daniels Sams commitment too.  It is only a matter of time. 

I would seriously freak out if we lost Sams. Don't even joke about that.

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« Reply #1176 on: December 06, 2010, 10:12:28 AM »
The depths of their suckitude is frightening at times.  Even after all of these years.

Can barely wait for Michael 'The Closer' Smith to Umeh the Daniels Sams commitment too.  It is only a matter of time. 

I would seriously freak out if we lost Sams. Don't even joke about that.

Our only saving grace is most schools want him as other than QB posn... It'l be interesting to see if another BCS school offers Sams as QB  :ohno:
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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1177 on: December 06, 2010, 10:19:51 AM »
I think the moral of this story is that it's clear our staff is not recruiting before the bowl.  Guess Dax was right.

Guess, you would first need to define "recruiting" in relationship to our staff.



Dax is right.  He's been around long enough to know exactly how Snyder works in this regard.

There is a common argument out there that even when we had the greatest assistant coaching staff of all time, we still had to recruit JUCOs heavily and get grayshirt kids, therefore, we've always used the coach'em up philosophy.  Well, duh.  The difference between that staff and this staff is that staff would drive to a JUCO and smuggle Jeff Kelly out of there in the trunk of their car if they had to, while this one sends Michael Smith to counter Mike Gundy to lock up one of the two crown jewels of the recruiting class.

The one thing that LHC Bill Snyder has always been able to do, and still can, is evaluate and identify talent where others may not see it.  Even now, I'm still very impressed by his ability to seek out and find some of these kids.  He was the first on Zac Robinson.  He was the first on Kennard and Meshak Williams.  He was the first on Daniel Sams, and I don't care what anyone ends up saying, but that kid is lightning in a bottle and easily Snyder's best prep recruit since Sproles.  There are few better than Snyder in finding these kids and figuring out what does and does not equate to D1 success.  So, in that regard, his "recruiting" ability in terms of identifying talent is top notch.

The problem is that everyone knows this.  Teams like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have made a living poaching our recruits over the years.  What Snyder lacks now as opposed to then are hungry, young assistants that will do anything to go get these guys.  Instead of surrounding himself with coaches with huge egos that are trying to make a name for themselves in the game, he's surrounding himself with "fine football coaches" that are old and lack the drive and enthusiasm to do crazy stuff like his first staff did because they don't have a future.  Del Miller isn't going to take a different job.  Mo Latimore isn't going to take another job.  Michael Smith will stay here forever if he can, as will Joe Bob.  Those who actually do have talent and a sliver of a career left (Dimel, Dickey, Burns, Rahne) aren't good enough that they are going to get poached by a school with more money or prestige.  We stole Dimel from Arizona.  Dickey came from Arizona.  Burns came from San Jose State.  Rahne, while pulling his weight, is a TE coach that's doing a good job in recruiting, but not a great job.  He has no incentive to move unless he really wants to.

Snyder is too concerned with "family" and surrounding himself with people he's comfortable with to do what he needs to do, and that's cut the dead weight and go get some young, hungry guys that want to make a name for themselves.   Until he does, we're going to be shooting for lower tiered bowls, at best, until he retires.

Kennard is a symptom of a larger problem.  Anyone who doesn't realize that is in total denial.
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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1178 on: December 06, 2010, 10:28:11 AM »
I think the moral of this story is that it's clear our staff is not recruiting before the bowl.  Guess Dax was right.

Guess, you would first need to define "recruiting" in relationship to our staff.



Dax is right.  He's been around long enough to know exactly how Snyder works in this regard.

There is a common argument out there that even when we had the greatest assistant coaching staff of all time, we still had to recruit JUCOs heavily and get grayshirt kids, therefore, we've always used the coach'em up philosophy.  Well, duh.  The difference between that staff and this staff is that staff would drive to a JUCO and smuggle Jeff Kelly out of there in the trunk of their car if they had to, while this one sends Michael Smith to counter Mike Gundy to lock up one of the two crown jewels of the recruiting class.

The one thing that LHC Bill Snyder has always been able to do, and still can, is evaluate and identify talent where others may not see it.  Even now, I'm still very impressed by his ability to seek out and find some of these kids.  He was the first on Zac Robinson.  He was the first on Kennard and Meshak Williams.  He was the first on Daniel Sams, and I don't care what anyone ends up saying, but that kid is lightning in a bottle and easily Snyder's best prep recruit since Sproles.  There are few better than Snyder in finding these kids and figuring out what does and does not equate to D1 success.  So, in that regard, his "recruiting" ability in terms of identifying talent is top notch.

The problem is that everyone knows this.  Teams like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have made a living poaching our recruits over the years.  What Snyder lacks now as opposed to then are hungry, young assistants that will do anything to go get these guys.  Instead of surrounding himself with coaches with huge egos that are trying to make a name for themselves in the game, he's surrounding himself with "fine football coaches" that are old and lack the drive and enthusiasm to do crazy stuff like his first staff did because they don't have a future.  Del Miller isn't going to take a different job.  Mo Latimore isn't going to take another job.  Michael Smith will stay here forever if he can, as will Joe Bob.  Those who actually do have talent and a sliver of a career left (Dimel, Dickey, Burns, Rahne) aren't good enough that they are going to get poached by a school with more money or prestige.  We stole Dimel from Arizona.  Dickey came from Arizona.  Burns came from San Jose State.  Rahne, while pulling his weight, is a TE coach that's doing a good job in recruiting, but not a great job.  He has no incentive to move unless he really wants to.

Snyder is too concerned with "family" and surrounding himself with people he's comfortable with to do what he needs to do, and that's cut the dead weight and go get some young, hungry guys that want to make a name for themselves.   Until he does, we're going to be shooting for lower tiered bowls, at best, until he retires.

Kennard is a symptom of a larger problem.  Anyone who doesn't realize that is in total denial.

It's just hard for me to get too upset about losing Kennard because I can't think of a single reason a wide receiver of his ability would choose K-State over his other options. Until LHC Bill Snyder gets a quarterback that he is comfortable passing the ball with, we shouldn't expect to get highly ranked wide receivers.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1179 on: December 06, 2010, 10:37:22 AM »
It's just hard for me to get too upset about losing Kennard because I can't think of a single reason a wide receiver of his ability would choose K-State over his other options. Until LHC Bill Snyder gets a quarterback that he is comfortable passing the ball with, we shouldn't expect to get highly ranked wide receivers.

I'm upset because:

1) His talents would have given us a unique weapon in this offense that would make it easier to utilize the QB run game.
2) We lost a freaking placement.  It's like striking out in a slow pitch softball game.  We were the only team that could easily communicate with him for TWO YEARS.  And we apparently didn't do a very good job of that.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1180 on: December 06, 2010, 10:42:54 AM »
It's just hard for me to get too upset about losing Kennard because I can't think of a single reason a wide receiver of his ability would choose K-State over his other options. Until LHC Bill Snyder gets a quarterback that he is comfortable passing the ball with, we shouldn't expect to get highly ranked wide receivers.

I'm upset because:

1) His talents would have given us a unique weapon in this offense that would make it easier to utilize the QB run game.
2) We lost a freaking placement.  It's like striking out in a slow pitch softball game.  We were the only team that could easily communicate with him for TWO YEARS.  And we apparently didn't do a very good job of that.

If you are a wide receiver that is getting calls from Oklahoma State and Georgia, are you going to stay committed to a team that:
1) Has not had much success over the last decade.
2) Has had almost no success passing the ball since Prince left.
3) Has a coach that is older than your grandparents.

Kennard made the right choice.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1181 on: December 06, 2010, 02:54:09 PM »
I'm putting my all into ol marcus

LOL I already sent him a message saying, "Loyalty. Learn it!" He responded with a, "Who are you?" :lol:

Sweet message,  :facepalm:


Thanks man. We got him, time to go home boys. EMAW. :thumbsup:
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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1182 on: December 06, 2010, 07:52:48 PM »
Bryce will make us happy again.
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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1183 on: December 06, 2010, 10:23:15 PM »
Bryce will make us happy again.

i feel like people keep forgetting about him.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1184 on: December 07, 2010, 12:26:09 AM »
I guess Pena was at the b-ball game with all of our defensive coaches. :dunno:

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1185 on: December 07, 2010, 12:07:35 PM »
Kennard is a symptom of a larger problem.  Anyone who doesn't realize that is in total denial.

Larger problem being LHC Bill Snyder, right?  So we both agree that he needs to go.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #1186 on: December 07, 2010, 01:06:40 PM »
Kennard is a symptom of a larger problem.  Anyone who doesn't realize that is in total denial.

Larger problem being LHC Bill Snyder, right?  So we both agree that he needs to go.

I never said that in an ideal world, it wouldn't be best for him to step down.

What I said, and maintain, is that a variety of factors make it very difficult to remove him at this point.  Most of all the fact that we're going to start fundraising for the football stadium soon, and the AD will have a hard time doing that if he fires the guy with his name on the stadium.

However, that doesn't mean that I don't hate John Wefald for doing this to us in the first place and putting us into this position.

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« Reply #1187 on: December 08, 2010, 04:11:23 PM »
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Coach LHC Bill Snyder said that practices during the next three weeks will be "piecemealed" around recruiting trips by coaches, final exams for the players, plus a couple days off for Christmas before returning to Manhattan for a Dec. 26 practice and departure for the Big Apple later that day.

Recruiting news  :pbj:

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« Reply #1188 on: December 08, 2010, 06:43:37 PM »
Snyder is lying.  Dax already told us this staff doesn't recruit before bowl games.  That Snyder is a wily one.

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« Reply #1189 on: December 08, 2010, 06:46:42 PM »
Snyder is lying.  Dax already told us this staff doesn't recruit before bowl games.  That Snyder is a wily one.

We get it jtksu.  Now please stop with these awful posts

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« Reply #1190 on: December 08, 2010, 06:50:29 PM »
Snyder is lying.  Dax already told us this staff doesn't recruit before bowl games.  That Snyder is a wily one.

IS it really recruiting if they're not really recruiting.

I mean, I could send a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) in to take an advanced calculus exam for me...
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« Reply #1191 on: December 08, 2010, 06:52:41 PM »
Snyder is lying.  Dax already told us this staff doesn't recruit before bowl games.  That Snyder is a wily one.

It's nice to see that they are allegedly doing this.  Snyder assisted in the ruin of his own program by failing to do so in the past.

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« Reply #1192 on: December 08, 2010, 06:55:14 PM »
Snyder is lying.  Dax already told us this staff doesn't recruit before bowl games.  That Snyder is a wily one.

It's nice to see that they are allegedly doing this.  Snyder assisted in the ruin of his own program by failing to do so in the past.

That's what powerespect types like jt can't seem to understand, I never said they wouldn't EVER do it in the FUTURE, I simply stated what has been a reality in the past.   But complete tards like jt have their axes to grind afterall ,so you just stand back, make sure they have their helmets and padding on and let them flail away.


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« Reply #1193 on: December 08, 2010, 07:02:27 PM »
Sure Dax, of course you weren't wrong.  No way you could be wrong, ever.  On that note, what bowl is the sure to be greatest coach of all time leading his team to this year?  Can't wait to tune in and see that genius at work.

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« Reply #1194 on: December 08, 2010, 07:08:10 PM »
You're mean jt.   Was it my comment on what bowl the 1998 11-1 K-State Wildcats went to that has you so upset??


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« Reply #1195 on: December 08, 2010, 07:17:07 PM »
No but proclaiming the Temple coach as the greatest ever sure made you look like an idiot.  Not that life in general doesn't already do that.

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« Reply #1196 on: December 08, 2010, 07:18:59 PM »
No but proclaiming the Temple coach as the greatest ever sure made you look like an idiot.  Not that life in general doesn't already do that.

Apparently you like Chin have a major reading comprehension issue.  I never proclaimed the guy the "greatest ever".   But by all means, continue to flail away king of all powertards.






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« Reply #1197 on: December 08, 2010, 10:51:40 PM »
go get 'em coaches  :popcorn:

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« Reply #1198 on: December 08, 2010, 10:56:25 PM »
I saw Cosh meeting with a recruit the other day.  Pretty depressing on a number of different levels...

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« Reply #1199 on: December 08, 2010, 11:03:17 PM »
I saw Cosh meeting with a recruit the other day.  Pretty depressing on a number of different levels...

I once shared a small plane ride with Cosh after Snyder retired.  I can't remember where I was flying, but it was out of Cleveland and it wasn't headed to Maryland.

The dude looked stunning in his Maryland Terrapins sweater vest.  The way the light from that small window reflected off of his bald head, as it escaped through the hairs he combed over it, was just breathtaking.

I was so compelled to introduce myself, but I fell asleep after I got my pretzels, so, yeah.  That's my brush with Chris Cosh story.