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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #21601 on: December 10, 2015, 08:12:15 PM »
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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #21604 on: December 11, 2015, 08:16:50 AM »
I can't seem to find the article I read, but earlier this week there was a whole article on espn (i think) that discussed how recruits commitments to schools are meaning less and less and coaches are less surprised by it. Sad really.

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« Reply #21605 on: December 11, 2015, 10:17:00 AM »
There's really nothing sad at all about a recruit de-committing.  I think there's probably a decent correlation between the quality of the program and the number of decommits.  quality programs with quality coaches and quality facilities always seem to get the players they want.  If we don't want this kid going to TCU, we need to do something about it.       

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« Reply #21606 on: December 11, 2015, 10:31:21 AM »
There's really nothing sad at all about a recruit de-committing.  I think there's probably a decent correlation between the quality of the program and the number of decommits.  quality programs with quality coaches and quality facilities always seem to get the players they want.  If we don't want this kid going to TCU, we need to do something about it.     

Do you follow SEC recruiting?  Guys decommit from big SEC programs all of the time and ping pong back and forth between them. The difference between them and us is that they can go cherry pick some high level three star or low level 4 star from someone else to back fill.

And I'm not sure what you're supposed to "do about it".  You can call some of these kids every week, regularly text them, visit them, watch their games, etc.  However, they may still look around.  If you recruit behind them on your board to protect yourself, they will start feeling suspicious and no longer "feel the love". 

As a school, you protect yourself by having a deep recruiting board and constant contact with backup candidates.  You never stop recruiting at a position.  Once a kid decommits, you move on to the next guy on your board, committed or not.  Then you move on down until you get a yes.

Where we specifically suck is that we take a kid's word for it and shut down recruiting at a position for the most part.  It was very clear that we didn't have a plan whatsoever when Aaron Sharp committed to UCLA.

But to assume that we could do something massively differently with individual kids to convince them not to look somewhere else, is probably not setting the right expectation.  We can probably try to communicate with them more often than we do, but if LSU or Oklahoma calls, we're probably screwed either way.

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« Reply #21607 on: December 11, 2015, 11:16:15 AM »
There's really nothing sad at all about a recruit de-committing.  I think there's probably a decent correlation between the quality of the program and the number of decommits.  quality programs with quality coaches and quality facilities always seem to get the players they want.  If we don't want this kid going to TCU, we need to do something about it.     

Do you follow SEC recruiting?  Guys decommit from big SEC programs all of the time and ping pong back and forth between them. The difference between them and us is that they can go cherry pick some high level three star or low level 4 star from someone else to back fill.

And I'm not sure what you're supposed to "do about it".  You can call some of these kids every week, regularly text them, visit them, watch their games, etc.  However, they may still look around.  If you recruit behind them on your board to protect yourself, they will start feeling suspicious and no longer "feel the love". 

As a school, you protect yourself by having a deep recruiting board and constant contact with backup candidates.  You never stop recruiting at a position.  Once a kid decommits, you move on to the next guy on your board, committed or not.  Then you move on down until you get a yes.

Where we specifically suck is that we take a kid's word for it and shut down recruiting at a position for the most part.  It was very clear that we didn't have a plan whatsoever when Aaron Sharp committed to UCLA.

But to assume that we could do something massively differently with individual kids to convince them not to look somewhere else, is probably not setting the right expectation.  We can probably try to communicate with them more often than we do, but if LSU or Oklahoma calls, we're probably screwed either way.

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« Reply #21608 on: December 11, 2015, 01:38:25 PM »
I can't seem to find the article I read, but earlier this week there was a whole article on espn (i think) that discussed how recruits commitments to schools are meaning less and less and coaches are less surprised by it. Sad really.

Yeah, shame on these kids for being diligent about the most important decision of their lives to that point. I feel really awful for the schools who can terminate the deal at any point but after the player signs they can't.  Poor poor multimillionaire coaches and athletic directors :tear:

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« Reply #21609 on: December 11, 2015, 02:02:29 PM »
There's really nothing sad at all about a recruit de-committing.  I think there's probably a decent correlation between the quality of the program and the number of decommits.  quality programs with quality coaches and quality facilities always seem to get the players they want.  If we don't want this kid going to TCU, we need to do something about it.     

Do you follow SEC recruiting?  Guys decommit from big SEC programs all of the time and ping pong back and forth between them. The difference between them and us is that they can go cherry pick some high level three star or low level 4 star from someone else to back fill.

And I'm not sure what you're supposed to "do about it".  You can call some of these kids every week, regularly text them, visit them, watch their games, etc.  However, they may still look around.  If you recruit behind them on your board to protect yourself, they will start feeling suspicious and no longer "feel the love". 

As a school, you protect yourself by having a deep recruiting board and constant contact with backup candidates.  You never stop recruiting at a position.  Once a kid decommits, you move on to the next guy on your board, committed or not.  Then you move on down until you get a yes.

Where we specifically suck is that we take a kid's word for it and shut down recruiting at a position for the most part.  It was very clear that we didn't have a plan whatsoever when Aaron Sharp committed to UCLA.

But to assume that we could do something massively differently with individual kids to convince them not to look somewhere else, is probably not setting the right expectation.  We can probably try to communicate with them more often than we do, but if LSU or Oklahoma calls, we're probably screwed either way.

first off, no.  I don't follow SEC recruiting. 

my point - and it seems like you agree - is there should be nothing concerning with kids de-committing if you're a quality program.  good programs always seem to get the players they want.  Kids may decommit and go elsewhere, but there are plenty of fish in the sea, as they say.  Another quality kid will fill the void.  the problem arises when you start replacing top notch athletes with 3rd tier DIR players - which is far too commonplace at KSU.

 


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« Reply #21610 on: December 11, 2015, 02:23:09 PM »
There's really nothing sad at all about a recruit de-committing.  I think there's probably a decent correlation between the quality of the program and the number of decommits.  quality programs with quality coaches and quality facilities always seem to get the players they want.  If we don't want this kid going to TCU, we need to do something about it.     

Do you follow SEC recruiting?  Guys decommit from big SEC programs all of the time and ping pong back and forth between them. The difference between them and us is that they can go cherry pick some high level three star or low level 4 star from someone else to back fill.

And I'm not sure what you're supposed to "do about it".  You can call some of these kids every week, regularly text them, visit them, watch their games, etc.  However, they may still look around.  If you recruit behind them on your board to protect yourself, they will start feeling suspicious and no longer "feel the love". 

As a school, you protect yourself by having a deep recruiting board and constant contact with backup candidates.  You never stop recruiting at a position.  Once a kid decommits, you move on to the next guy on your board, committed or not.  Then you move on down until you get a yes.

Where we specifically suck is that we take a kid's word for it and shut down recruiting at a position for the most part.  It was very clear that we didn't have a plan whatsoever when Aaron Sharp committed to UCLA.

But to assume that we could do something massively differently with individual kids to convince them not to look somewhere else, is probably not setting the right expectation.  We can probably try to communicate with them more often than we do, but if LSU or Oklahoma calls, we're probably screwed either way.

first off, no.  I don't follow SEC recruiting. 

my point - and it seems like you agree - is there should be nothing concerning with kids de-committing if you're a quality program.  good programs always seem to get the players they want.  Kids may decommit and go elsewhere, but there are plenty of fish in the sea, as they say.  Another quality kid will fill the void.  the problem arises when you start replacing top notch athletes with 3rd tier DIR players - which is far too commonplace at KSU.

 

So you don't follow SEC recruiting?  Then you must follow Big 10 recruiting? No? What about ACC? No? Must be the Pac 12 then? No?

So what you're saying is that you don't follow recruiting, and your comment was just wrong. 

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« Reply #21611 on: December 11, 2015, 04:42:12 PM »

So you don't follow SEC recruiting?  Then you must follow Big 10 recruiting? No? What about ACC? No? Must be the Pac 12 then? No?

So what you're saying is that you don't follow recruiting, and your comment was just wrong.

listen Matlock, it's not too terribly complicated.  if your program has been adversely impacted by kids decommitting, it's probably because your program sucks.  decommitment epidemic notwithstanding, quality programs continue to fill their scholarship limits with quality kids.  I'm able to deduce from this reality the fact that quality programs are able to fill the void left by a 17 year old kid who changes his mind. 

If you don't think you can replace that kid, my advice would be to build some nicer facilities or hire some better recruiters.   

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #21612 on: December 11, 2015, 04:45:07 PM »
nice work on the matlock reference imo


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« Reply #21613 on: December 11, 2015, 05:31:40 PM »

So you don't follow SEC recruiting?  Then you must follow Big 10 recruiting? No? What about ACC? No? Must be the Pac 12 then? No?

So what you're saying is that you don't follow recruiting, and your comment was just wrong.

listen Matlock, it's not too terribly complicated.  if your program has been adversely impacted by kids decommitting, it's probably because your program sucks.  decommitment epidemic notwithstanding, quality programs continue to fill their scholarship limits with quality kids.  I'm able to deduce from this reality the fact that quality programs are able to fill the void left by a 17 year old kid who changes his mind. 

If you don't think you can replace that kid, my advice would be to build some nicer facilities or hire some better recruiters.

I'm disagreeing with your assertion that: "I think there's probably a decent correlation between the quality of the program and the number of decommits."

As far as "quality programs with quality coaches and quality facilities always seem to get the players they want." I'm ok with that.

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« Reply #21614 on: December 11, 2015, 09:29:21 PM »
We have an abnormally small number of decommits.

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« Reply #21615 on: December 12, 2015, 07:57:28 AM »
There's really nothing sad at all about a recruit de-committing.  I think there's probably a decent correlation between the quality of the program and the number of decommits.  quality programs with quality coaches and quality facilities always seem to get the players they want.  If we don't want this kid going to TCU, we need to do something about it.     

Do you follow SEC recruiting?  Guys decommit from big SEC programs all of the time and ping pong back and forth between them. The difference between them and us is that they can go cherry pick some high level three star or low level 4 star from someone else to back fill.

And I'm not sure what you're supposed to "do about it".  You can call some of these kids every week, regularly text them, visit them, watch their games, etc.  However, they may still look around.  If you recruit behind them on your board to protect yourself, they will start feeling suspicious and no longer "feel the love". 

As a school, you protect yourself by having a deep recruiting board and constant contact with backup candidates.  You never stop recruiting at a position.  Once a kid decommits, you move on to the next guy on your board, committed or not.  Then you move on down until you get a yes.

Where we specifically suck is that we take a kid's word for it and shut down recruiting at a position for the most part.  It was very clear that we didn't have a plan whatsoever when Aaron Sharp committed to UCLA.

But to assume that we could do something massively differently with individual kids to convince them not to look somewhere else, is probably not setting the right expectation.  We can probably try to communicate with them more often than we do, but if LSU or Oklahoma calls, we're probably screwed either way.

first off, no.  I don't follow SEC recruiting. 

my point - and it seems like you agree - is there should be nothing concerning with kids de-committing if you're a quality program.  good programs always seem to get the players they want.  Kids may decommit and go elsewhere, but there are plenty of fish in the sea, as they say.  Another quality kid will fill the void.  the problem arises when you start replacing top notch athletes with 3rd tier DIR players - which is far too commonplace at KSU.

 

Every decommitment is concerning because you're theoretically losing a player you wanted more than the one that you replaced them with. 

And these quality programs you're talking about probably number 8-10 or less.  You're talking about Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Florida State, etc.  Your definition and criteria is not about a quality program.  It's an elite program.

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Re: Football Recruiting Thread
« Reply #21616 on: December 12, 2015, 07:05:07 PM »
CB Coney Durr to gophers over the cats.

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« Reply #21617 on: December 12, 2015, 07:06:21 PM »
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« Reply #21618 on: December 12, 2015, 08:41:32 PM »
CB Coney Durr to gophers over the cats.

We are so rough ridin' awful at landing recruits.

I know, water is wet.

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« Reply #21619 on: December 13, 2015, 07:17:53 AM »
CB Coney Durr to gophers over the cats.

We are so rough ridin' awful at landing recruits.

I know, water is wet.

We are going to have problems landing kids when every other article about your coach is, "Is this his last year?"

It also sucks that there is absolutely no defined plan for succession.

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« Reply #21620 on: December 13, 2015, 11:27:51 AM »
This might be of interest to you guys...

https://twitter.com/jeremycrabtree/status/676086703564726272

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« Reply #21621 on: December 13, 2015, 11:34:09 AM »
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« Reply #21622 on: December 13, 2015, 11:39:19 AM »
This might be of interest to you guys...

https://twitter.com/jeremycrabtree/status/676086703564726272

For the uninitiated, that's (left to right) nick lenners, skylar thompson, bronson massie, jimmy mckinney, zach shackelford, blake hickey, and isaiahh loudermilk

nick lenners is a physically impressive dude. he looks just as tall as loudermilk, who is a legit 6'6".
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« Reply #21623 on: December 13, 2015, 12:02:02 PM »
Bronson Massie commit????
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« Reply #21624 on: December 13, 2015, 12:08:13 PM »
This might be of interest to you guys...

https://twitter.com/jeremycrabtree/status/676086703564726272

For the uninitiated, that's (left to right) nick lenners, skylar thompson, bronson massie, jimmy mckinney, zach shackelford, blake hickey, and isaiahh loudermilk

nick lenners is a physically impressive dude. he looks just as tall as loudermilk, who is a legit 6'6".

I'm assuming Massie is the likely pledge?

Also, hadn't really paid much attention to Lenners, but if he's that big and runs a legit 4.6 40 like his rivals profile says I'm putting in an early claim for my guy.