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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #100 on: April 15, 2014, 10:02:24 AM »
when my knee hurts and i think i may have broken it, i usually go to hobby lobby and shop for yarn


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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #101 on: April 15, 2014, 10:03:10 AM »
one time i broke my wrist so i took a nap and then drank a glass of milk. 


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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #102 on: April 15, 2014, 10:04:16 AM »
i was playing ball at the rec one time and split open my face, blood everywhere.  you guessed it, time to hit the computer lab and knock out some accounting homework


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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #103 on: April 15, 2014, 10:10:53 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP? 

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #104 on: April 15, 2014, 10:11:51 AM »
also and this is just an opinion, but anyone allowing their gp to do more than school physicals probably deserves whatever this guy got and then some.

What should he have done? Just go to the emergency room?

well if we are starting from the beginning i would say buy a better wheel chair and don't clog up the healthcare system with referrals to specialists when you just bruised your shoulder.


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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2014, 10:15:03 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #106 on: April 15, 2014, 10:19:21 AM »
What is "lust for life" and why is it worth so much money?

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #107 on: April 15, 2014, 10:20:10 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

it depends on your insurance. mine doesn't require any kind of gp referral for me to see a specialist. i think my son needs his tonsils and adenoids out? i call whatever ent i want him to see and schedule an appointment for him directly.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #108 on: April 15, 2014, 10:20:33 AM »
i don't need a referral to schedule with a specialist, maybe the trick is to not buy your health insurance from the general


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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #109 on: April 15, 2014, 10:22:18 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

it depends on your insurance. mine doesn't require any kind of gp referral for me to see a specialist. i think my son needs his tonsils and adenoids out? i call whatever ent i want him to see and schedule an appointment for him directly.

I don't need a referral to see one, either, but it's pretty hard to get one to see me without scheduling about 6 months in advance without a referral.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2014, 10:28:26 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

it depends on your insurance. mine doesn't require any kind of gp referral for me to see a specialist. i think my son needs his tonsils and adenoids out? i call whatever ent i want him to see and schedule an appointment for him directly.

I don't need a referral to see one, either, but it's pretty hard to get one to see me without scheduling about 6 months in advance without a referral.

what specifically have you tried to schedule that took six months and why were you trying to schedule it? also, why do you think the referral expedites things?

also, for the guy in particular that we were discussing...he had already seen the specialist at least once so the initial new patient visit was out of the way. my guess is that if he would've called the office, said that he had new scans for something that just happened and wanted to bring them in, they would've moved up his appt. also, i've already said i have no large problems with the way the gp handled it. in a perfect world he would be smarter than he is and would've correctly read the x-ray but the world isn't perfect and it doesn't or shouldn't give the patient the right to sue.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2014, 10:29:35 AM »
if this dude's leg hurt so bad b/w 4-16 to 4-21-04 i'm guessing he could have gotten someone on the phone before 5 days had gone by.

The plaintiff wasn't the one on trial. We all agreed that he didn't use great judgement by not going to the ER, or trying to get his leg looked at, but personal responsibility wasn't on trial in this case.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #112 on: April 15, 2014, 10:31:48 AM »
if this dude's leg hurt so bad b/w 4-16 to 4-21-04 i'm guessing he could have gotten someone on the phone before 5 days had gone by.

The plaintiff wasn't the one on trial. We all agreed that he didn't use great judgement by not going to the ER, or trying to get his leg looked at, but personal responsibility wasn't on trial in this case.

Well it kind of was.  Because a reasonable person similarly situated would not have done what he did and the standard of care was met.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #113 on: April 15, 2014, 10:37:12 AM »
if this dude's leg hurt so bad b/w 4-16 to 4-21-04 i'm guessing he could have gotten someone on the phone before 5 days had gone by.

The plaintiff wasn't the one on trial. We all agreed that he didn't use great judgement by not going to the ER, or trying to get his leg looked at, but personal responsibility wasn't on trial in this case.

his motivation to sue someone greatly increased b/c he sat on his injury for 5 days while trying to get a hold of anyone in the world who knew anything about knee injuries but he just couldn't b/c no one answered their phone for 5 days straight while he was writhing in 10% of  pain.


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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #114 on: April 15, 2014, 10:39:02 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

it depends on your insurance. mine doesn't require any kind of gp referral for me to see a specialist. i think my son needs his tonsils and adenoids out? i call whatever ent i want him to see and schedule an appointment for him directly.

I don't need a referral to see one, either, but it's pretty hard to get one to see me without scheduling about 6 months in advance without a referral.

what specifically have you tried to schedule that took six months and why were you trying to schedule it? also, why do you think the referral expedites things?

also, for the guy in particular that we were discussing...he had already seen the specialist at least once so the initial new patient visit was out of the way. my guess is that if he would've called the office, said that he had new scans for something that just happened and wanted to bring them in, they would've moved up his appt. also, i've already said i have no large problems with the way the gp handled it. in a perfect world he would be smarter than he is and would've correctly read the x-ray but the world isn't perfect and it doesn't or shouldn't give the patient the right to sue.

It was a dermatologist and it was about 10 years ago. I've never broken a bone or anything that would need immediate attention, so maybe they will work with you. :dunno: Still, I think it is more than reasonable that if a GP could get you in the same day and you think you may have a broken bone to expect him/her to be able to read an x-ray and tell you if the bone is broken or not.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #115 on: April 15, 2014, 10:51:23 AM »
the standard of care was met.  why don't people understand a very simple concept such as standard of care?  because they're dumb.

This, and the definition of "Neglect" were the two overriding issues that led to a not-guilty verdict in this case.

The ONLY time "Standard of Care" was clearly given a Websters definition in the entire trial was during the Prosecutions opening arguments...it was like in the first minute of his opening. Pro Tip for all the lawyers on this board...jurors are still kind of in a mild state of shock at that time...we are still processing the fact that we aren't going to work that day, or the next day, or the next day...I don't know if it is always like this, but we were literally called into the courtroom, the 13 of us were selected, the other 30 left, we were sworn in, and we started the trial. I specifically remember hearing him define SoC, I, nor any of my other jurors wrote the definition down in notes.

RE: Neglect, we had one guy on the jury that kept saying, "He took X-Rays, he didn't neglect the guy, so we can't find him guilty of Neglect," to which ever time, I would read the three sentence Law Approved definition of Neglect which is NOTHING like the everyday definition of Neglect. The definition we were told to use was something along the lines of, "If you find the defendent didn't diagnose the fracture or immobilize the leg, you must find the def neglectful if you feel a majority of those with similar qualifications & experience would have acted differently (that is a horrible paraphrase, but it gets the point across that 'intent' to cause harm or 'dismissive' of the patient needs wasn't in the definition.

Anyway, when we got the case for deliberations, 1st vote was 5 negligent, 5 not-negligent & 2 undecided...after 4 hours, next vote was 4 negligent, 6 not-negligent & 2 undecided. At that time, we broke for the evening on Thursday. Came back Friday AM to finish up, both undecideds had moved slightly into the not-negligent camp...90 minutes later and a 9-3 Not Negligent verdict was met. Me and two other guys were the dissenters, and I was stuck on a couple of simple facts...the Defendant did not confirm an appointment was made for the ortho, so he didn't know if it was in 24 hours or 1 week, and no further care instructions were given to the plaintiff, other than to treat with ice for swelling and take the x-rays into the ortho. If he had simply said, "There is something wrong w/ the knee (like he mentioned in testimony), be it a sprain, deep bruise or a hairline fracture, take it easy until you can get a 2nd opinion," then I'd be on the other side with the not-negligent folks. My biggest factor was that once the break went from minor to impacted, surgery was then a certainty...I felt the plaintiff, if nothing else, was robbed of his decision making in his recovery by the delayed diagnosis...non-surgical options were there for him to choose before, they weren't by the time he got into the ortho.

After the trial, I did get to spend about 90 minutes talking to the plaintiff, his lawyers and a shorter time talking w/ the defendant & his lawyers. I told them what I mentioned above about the two deifnitions being the sticking points, and that they neglected to call another GP as an expert witness testifying to the readability of the Initial X-Ray...if they had another GP say that the fracture should have been diagnosed, instead of 'expert' witnesses in the field of orthopedics, it would have ended differently.

Ironically, even through I was the loudest voice in the negligence camp during deliberations, I also wouldn't have voted to give the guy a lot of $$ if the Dr was found negligent. I wouldn't have touched the Dr Bills, since the Defendant didn't cause the injury, most of the bills would have come about no matter the treatment, and there is a chance surgery would have been required anyway...since we weren't given itemized bills, guessing at a total would have been our only choice.  I would have fought to give him a little $$ for lost wages, and a little $$ for Loss of Enjoyment of life, but you're talking $30-$40k max, compared to the $400k or so they were asking for.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #116 on: April 15, 2014, 10:52:38 AM »
if this dude's leg hurt so bad b/w 4-16 to 4-21-04 i'm guessing he could have gotten someone on the phone before 5 days had gone by.

The plaintiff wasn't the one on trial. We all agreed that he didn't use great judgement by not going to the ER, or trying to get his leg looked at, but personal responsibility wasn't on trial in this case.

his motivation to sue someone greatly increased b/c he sat on his injury for 5 days while trying to get a hold of anyone in the world who knew anything about knee injuries but he just couldn't b/c no one answered their phone for 5 days straight while he was writhing in 10% of  pain.

He wasn't writhing in pain...he stated it felt like a cramp or a charlie horse, which he had experienced in the past.

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« Reply #117 on: April 15, 2014, 10:55:02 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

it depends on your insurance. mine doesn't require any kind of gp referral for me to see a specialist. i think my son needs his tonsils and adenoids out? i call whatever ent i want him to see and schedule an appointment for him directly.

I don't need a referral to see one, either, but it's pretty hard to get one to see me without scheduling about 6 months in advance without a referral.

what specifically have you tried to schedule that took six months and why were you trying to schedule it? also, why do you think the referral expedites things?

also, for the guy in particular that we were discussing...he had already seen the specialist at least once so the initial new patient visit was out of the way. my guess is that if he would've called the office, said that he had new scans for something that just happened and wanted to bring them in, they would've moved up his appt. also, i've already said i have no large problems with the way the gp handled it. in a perfect world he would be smarter than he is and would've correctly read the x-ray but the world isn't perfect and it doesn't or shouldn't give the patient the right to sue.

It was a dermatologist and it was about 10 years ago. I've never broken a bone or anything that would need immediate attention, so maybe they will work with you. :dunno: Still, I think it is more than reasonable that if a GP could get you in the same day and you think you may have a broken bone to expect him/her to be able to read an x-ray and tell you if the bone is broken or not.

Especially when the GP Bills you for the X-Ray, therefore adding to the perception that he knows WTF he is looking at...if X-Rays are that tough, they need to have a radiologist on staff or not take x-rays in the office at all...as opposed to billing insurance companies & patients for films...especially in rare cases like this w/ an osteo-perodic bone that is known for creating difficult to read x-rays

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« Reply #118 on: April 15, 2014, 11:00:35 AM »
the standard of care was met.  why don't people understand a very simple concept such as standard of care?  because they're dumb.

This, and the definition of "Neglect" were the two overriding issues that led to a not-guilty verdict in this case.

The ONLY time "Standard of Care" was clearly given a Websters definition in the entire trial was during the Prosecutions opening arguments...it was like in the first minute of his opening. Pro Tip for all the lawyers on this board...jurors are still kind of in a mild state of shock at that time...we are still processing the fact that we aren't going to work that day, or the next day, or the next day...I don't know if it is always like this, but we were literally called into the courtroom, the 13 of us were selected, the other 30 left, we were sworn in, and we started the trial. I specifically remember hearing him define SoC, I, nor any of my other jurors wrote the definition down in notes.

RE: Neglect, we had one guy on the jury that kept saying, "He took X-Rays, he didn't neglect the guy, so we can't find him guilty of Neglect," to which ever time, I would read the three sentence Law Approved definition of Neglect which is NOTHING like the everyday definition of Neglect. The definition we were told to use was something along the lines of, "If you find the defendent didn't diagnose the fracture or immobilize the leg, you must find the def neglectful if you feel a majority of those with similar qualifications & experience would have acted differently (that is a horrible paraphrase, but it gets the point across that 'intent' to cause harm or 'dismissive' of the patient needs wasn't in the definition.

Anyway, when we got the case for deliberations, 1st vote was 5 negligent, 5 not-negligent & 2 undecided...after 4 hours, next vote was 4 negligent, 6 not-negligent & 2 undecided. At that time, we broke for the evening on Thursday. Came back Friday AM to finish up, both undecideds had moved slightly into the not-negligent camp...90 minutes later and a 9-3 Not Negligent verdict was met. Me and two other guys were the dissenters, and I was stuck on a couple of simple facts...the Defendant did not confirm an appointment was made for the ortho, so he didn't know if it was in 24 hours or 1 week, and no further care instructions were given to the plaintiff, other than to treat with ice for swelling and take the x-rays into the ortho. If he had simply said, "There is something wrong w/ the knee (like he mentioned in testimony), be it a sprain, deep bruise or a hairline fracture, take it easy until you can get a 2nd opinion," then I'd be on the other side with the not-negligent folks. My biggest factor was that once the break went from minor to impacted, surgery was then a certainty...I felt the plaintiff, if nothing else, was robbed of his decision making in his recovery by the delayed diagnosis...non-surgical options were there for him to choose before, they weren't by the time he got into the ortho.

After the trial, I did get to spend about 90 minutes talking to the plaintiff, his lawyers and a shorter time talking w/ the defendant & his lawyers. I told them what I mentioned above about the two deifnitions being the sticking points, and that they neglected to call another GP as an expert witness testifying to the readability of the Initial X-Ray...if they had another GP say that the fracture should have been diagnosed, instead of 'expert' witnesses in the field of orthopedics, it would have ended differently.

Ironically, even through I was the loudest voice in the negligence camp during deliberations, I also wouldn't have voted to give the guy a lot of $$ if the Dr was found negligent. I wouldn't have touched the Dr Bills, since the Defendant didn't cause the injury, most of the bills would have come about no matter the treatment, and there is a chance surgery would have been required anyway...since we weren't given itemized bills, guessing at a total would have been our only choice.  I would have fought to give him a little $$ for lost wages, and a little $$ for Loss of Enjoyment of life, but you're talking $30-$40k max, compared to the $400k or so they were asking for.

Those are good points. Is it likely that he would have had a wound and needed a wound vac for an entire year even if he had immediate treatment? I'm just not sure why he should get money for things like lost wages or loss of independence when he was already a paraplegic before this happened and the injury was only causing discomfort that felt like a cramp or charlie horse.

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« Reply #119 on: April 15, 2014, 11:07:01 AM »
the standard of care was met.  why don't people understand a very simple concept such as standard of care?  because they're dumb.

This, and the definition of "Neglect" were the two overriding issues that led to a not-guilty verdict in this case.

The ONLY time "Standard of Care" was clearly given a Websters definition in the entire trial was during the Prosecutions opening arguments...it was like in the first minute of his opening. Pro Tip for all the lawyers on this board...jurors are still kind of in a mild state of shock at that time...we are still processing the fact that we aren't going to work that day, or the next day, or the next day...I don't know if it is always like this, but we were literally called into the courtroom, the 13 of us were selected, the other 30 left, we were sworn in, and we started the trial. I specifically remember hearing him define SoC, I, nor any of my other jurors wrote the definition down in notes.

RE: Neglect, we had one guy on the jury that kept saying, "He took X-Rays, he didn't neglect the guy, so we can't find him guilty of Neglect," to which ever time, I would read the three sentence Law Approved definition of Neglect which is NOTHING like the everyday definition of Neglect. The definition we were told to use was something along the lines of, "If you find the defendent didn't diagnose the fracture or immobilize the leg, you must find the def neglectful if you feel a majority of those with similar qualifications & experience would have acted differently (that is a horrible paraphrase, but it gets the point across that 'intent' to cause harm or 'dismissive' of the patient needs wasn't in the definition.

Anyway, when we got the case for deliberations, 1st vote was 5 negligent, 5 not-negligent & 2 undecided...after 4 hours, next vote was 4 negligent, 6 not-negligent & 2 undecided. At that time, we broke for the evening on Thursday. Came back Friday AM to finish up, both undecideds had moved slightly into the not-negligent camp...90 minutes later and a 9-3 Not Negligent verdict was met. Me and two other guys were the dissenters, and I was stuck on a couple of simple facts...the Defendant did not confirm an appointment was made for the ortho, so he didn't know if it was in 24 hours or 1 week, and no further care instructions were given to the plaintiff, other than to treat with ice for swelling and take the x-rays into the ortho. If he had simply said, "There is something wrong w/ the knee (like he mentioned in testimony), be it a sprain, deep bruise or a hairline fracture, take it easy until you can get a 2nd opinion," then I'd be on the other side with the not-negligent folks. My biggest factor was that once the break went from minor to impacted, surgery was then a certainty...I felt the plaintiff, if nothing else, was robbed of his decision making in his recovery by the delayed diagnosis...non-surgical options were there for him to choose before, they weren't by the time he got into the ortho.

After the trial, I did get to spend about 90 minutes talking to the plaintiff, his lawyers and a shorter time talking w/ the defendant & his lawyers. I told them what I mentioned above about the two deifnitions being the sticking points, and that they neglected to call another GP as an expert witness testifying to the readability of the Initial X-Ray...if they had another GP say that the fracture should have been diagnosed, instead of 'expert' witnesses in the field of orthopedics, it would have ended differently.

Ironically, even through I was the loudest voice in the negligence camp during deliberations, I also wouldn't have voted to give the guy a lot of $$ if the Dr was found negligent. I wouldn't have touched the Dr Bills, since the Defendant didn't cause the injury, most of the bills would have come about no matter the treatment, and there is a chance surgery would have been required anyway...since we weren't given itemized bills, guessing at a total would have been our only choice.  I would have fought to give him a little $$ for lost wages, and a little $$ for Loss of Enjoyment of life, but you're talking $30-$40k max, compared to the $400k or so they were asking for.

Those are good points. Is it likely that he would have had a wound and needed a wound vac for an entire year even if he had immediate treatment? I'm just not sure why he should get money for things like lost wages or loss of independence when he was already a paraplegic before this happened and the injury was only causing discomfort that felt like a cramp or charlie horse.

Despite his paraplegia, he was working at the time of the incident, and didn't work again until September '04, when he returned for like 20 hrs a week...didn't return full time until Feb, '05...I think the suggested amount of lost wages that we got was factoring in the testimony that said non-surgical repair could have been completed in 3 months...so we wouldn't have compensated for that time. He worked for, and received awards from the Social Security admin, so his insurance was most likely through the Govt (though his wife worked at Morgan Stanley pre-injury - had to quit to care for him - so he may have been insured through her plan, it never came up)

RE: the Wound Vac...he had never needed a wound vac before, but he had received treatment for skin breakdown caused by his paraplegia. It is likely he would have developed skin sores however the leg was immobilized b/c that is just the reality for paraplegics.

RE: Loss of independence...the guy is really a good dude. His wife testified that before the leg, he would get out of his wheelchair, and vacuum, dust, clean the bathroom, etc...post leg injury, he has been unable to do that for fear of banging the hardware he has in there. This fear has also led to him not playing with his granddaughter as much b/c he is afraid the hardware will come apart.

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2014, 11:12:17 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

it depends on your insurance. mine doesn't require any kind of gp referral for me to see a specialist. i think my son needs his tonsils and adenoids out? i call whatever ent i want him to see and schedule an appointment for him directly.

I don't need a referral to see one, either, but it's pretty hard to get one to see me without scheduling about 6 months in advance without a referral.

what specifically have you tried to schedule that took six months and why were you trying to schedule it? also, why do you think the referral expedites things?

also, for the guy in particular that we were discussing...he had already seen the specialist at least once so the initial new patient visit was out of the way. my guess is that if he would've called the office, said that he had new scans for something that just happened and wanted to bring them in, they would've moved up his appt. also, i've already said i have no large problems with the way the gp handled it. in a perfect world he would be smarter than he is and would've correctly read the x-ray but the world isn't perfect and it doesn't or shouldn't give the patient the right to sue.

It was a dermatologist and it was about 10 years ago. I've never broken a bone or anything that would need immediate attention, so maybe they will work with you. :dunno: Still, I think it is more than reasonable that if a GP could get you in the same day and you think you may have a broken bone to expect him/her to be able to read an x-ray and tell you if the bone is broken or not.

doesn't sound that unreasonable considering...

1)there is a severe shortage of dermatologists in the US
2)it was a new patient appt
3)it was (i'm assuming) non-emergent

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Re: Jury Duty
« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2014, 11:30:13 AM »
also and this is just an opinion, but anyone allowing their gp to do more than school physicals probably deserves whatever this guy got and then some.

What should he have done? Just go to the emergency room?

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« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2014, 11:33:29 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

it depends on your insurance. mine doesn't require any kind of gp referral for me to see a specialist. i think my son needs his tonsils and adenoids out? i call whatever ent i want him to see and schedule an appointment for him directly.

I don't need a referral to see one, either, but it's pretty hard to get one to see me without scheduling about 6 months in advance without a referral.

what specifically have you tried to schedule that took six months and why were you trying to schedule it? also, why do you think the referral expedites things?

also, for the guy in particular that we were discussing...he had already seen the specialist at least once so the initial new patient visit was out of the way. my guess is that if he would've called the office, said that he had new scans for something that just happened and wanted to bring them in, they would've moved up his appt. also, i've already said i have no large problems with the way the gp handled it. in a perfect world he would be smarter than he is and would've correctly read the x-ray but the world isn't perfect and it doesn't or shouldn't give the patient the right to sue.

It was a dermatologist and it was about 10 years ago. I've never broken a bone or anything that would need immediate attention, so maybe they will work with you. :dunno: Still, I think it is more than reasonable that if a GP could get you in the same day and you think you may have a broken bone to expect him/her to be able to read an x-ray and tell you if the bone is broken or not.

doesn't sound that unreasonable considering...

1)there is a severe shortage of dermatologists in the US
2)it was a new patient appt
3)it was (i'm assuming) non-emergent

Yeah, I wasn't upset about it or anything. I guess I have always just assumed that specialists are harder to see on short notice than GPs. Is that not the case? If you thought you had a broken bone, would you wait a couple of days to have it X-rayed or go to the ER instead of just having a GP look at it?

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« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2014, 11:39:53 AM »
How do you get around first scheduling with the GP?

You probably have to either marry a doctor or be a doctor yourself. Or just head straight to the emergency room.

it depends on your insurance. mine doesn't require any kind of gp referral for me to see a specialist. i think my son needs his tonsils and adenoids out? i call whatever ent i want him to see and schedule an appointment for him directly.

I don't need a referral to see one, either, but it's pretty hard to get one to see me without scheduling about 6 months in advance without a referral.

what specifically have you tried to schedule that took six months and why were you trying to schedule it? also, why do you think the referral expedites things?

also, for the guy in particular that we were discussing...he had already seen the specialist at least once so the initial new patient visit was out of the way. my guess is that if he would've called the office, said that he had new scans for something that just happened and wanted to bring them in, they would've moved up his appt. also, i've already said i have no large problems with the way the gp handled it. in a perfect world he would be smarter than he is and would've correctly read the x-ray but the world isn't perfect and it doesn't or shouldn't give the patient the right to sue.

It was a dermatologist and it was about 10 years ago. I've never broken a bone or anything that would need immediate attention, so maybe they will work with you. :dunno: Still, I think it is more than reasonable that if a GP could get you in the same day and you think you may have a broken bone to expect him/her to be able to read an x-ray and tell you if the bone is broken or not.

doesn't sound that unreasonable considering...

1)there is a severe shortage of dermatologists in the US
2)it was a new patient appt
3)it was (i'm assuming) non-emergent

Yeah, I wasn't upset about it or anything. I guess I have always just assumed that specialists are harder to see on short notice than GPs. Is that not the case? If you thought you had a broken bone, would you wait a couple of days to have it X-rayed or go to the ER instead of just having a GP look at it?

This is where stand-alone Emergency Rooms can provide real value.  Regarding specialists, there's always variance between different practices.  Some doctors are more willing to accommodate patients than others are.  Plus, there are always the last-minute cancellations that free up appointments.  Depending on the doctor/practice, a popular GP can be more difficult to see than a specialist.  Regardless, my experience is that in cases of true urgency, the players involved will find a way to make it work. 
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« Reply #124 on: April 15, 2014, 11:46:24 AM »
Also of note...during selection process, they ask you if you know any lawyers...I threw out Limestone & Belvis by name since I know them personally...I guess I should have also said that I know Trim & BSAC...prolly would have got my name off the list, Belvis & Limestone just didn't carry enough weight on their own apparently   :dubious: