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Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« on: January 16, 2011, 09:05:04 PM »
and a hall of fame coach like Roy Williams.


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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 09:06:17 PM »
That'd be nice

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 09:12:00 PM »
I'll take the players, you can keep Roy Williams.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 09:13:25 PM »
and a hall of fame coach like Roy Williams.

I see what you did there.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2011, 12:54:56 AM »
I'll take Harrison Barnes... oh wait...


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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 06:08:51 AM »
Q:  how many national titles does Roy have?


A:  Not enough.  I'll keep our 5 heart players and Frank, thank you very much.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 09:10:13 AM »
Q:  how many national titles does Roy have?


A:  Not enough.  I'll keep our 5 heart players and Frank, thank you very much.

You really don't want to see ksu win a NC do you?

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 09:11:49 AM »
Q:  how many national titles does Roy have?


A:  Not enough.  I'll keep our 5 heart players and Frank, thank you very much.

Which 5 have heart?

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 10:04:13 AM »
FYI:

These guys lead the nation in scoring:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Jimmer-Fredette-56117;_ylt=AgRdGLGklFD1y4RTMpVAlsjasJB4

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Kemba-Walker-60134;_ylt=Aiv5x48MWDxeA7T80KC.A9PasJB4
Kemba Walker's offer list sucks for how highly rated he was.


While somewhat reliable, especially on the highest end (like top 10-20 players), stars are waaayyy overrated as the "end all be all" of how good a player is.  Most kids aren't done growing/filling out when they're 16-18 years old.  Big dudes especially don't get their feet under them for a while after they stop growing.  I would love to see some empirical evidence as to how accurate these rankings are, but I'm guessing there is none (obviously Rivals and Scout aren't going to evaluate how accurate their forecasts are). 

Like all forecasting, its complete useless unless it is backtested.  Until then, it should continue to make for some really stupid bulletin board threads.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 10:07:04 AM »
FYI:

These guys lead the nation in scoring:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Jimmer-Fredette-56117;_ylt=AgRdGLGklFD1y4RTMpVAlsjasJB4

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Kemba-Walker-60134;_ylt=Aiv5x48MWDxeA7T80KC.A9PasJB4
Kemba Walker's offer list sucks for how highly rated he was.


While somewhat reliable, especially on the highest end (like top 10-20 players), stars are waaayyy overrated as the "end all be all" of how good a player is.  Most kids aren't done growing/filling out when they're 16-18 years old.  Big dudes especially don't get their feet under them for a while after they stop growing.  I would love to see some empirical evidence as to how accurate these rankings are, but I'm guessing there is none (obviously Rivals and Scout aren't going to evaluate how accurate their forecasts are). 

Like all forecasting, its complete useless unless it is backtested.  Until then, it should continue to make for some really stupid bulletin board threads.

They are backtested. It's called the NBA draft.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 10:31:23 AM »
FYI:

These guys lead the nation in scoring:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Jimmer-Fredette-56117;_ylt=AgRdGLGklFD1y4RTMpVAlsjasJB4

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Kemba-Walker-60134;_ylt=Aiv5x48MWDxeA7T80KC.A9PasJB4
Kemba Walker's offer list sucks for how highly rated he was.


While somewhat reliable, especially on the highest end (like top 10-20 players), stars are waaayyy overrated as the "end all be all" of how good a player is.  Most kids aren't done growing/filling out when they're 16-18 years old.  Big dudes especially don't get their feet under them for a while after they stop growing.  I would love to see some empirical evidence as to how accurate these rankings are, but I'm guessing there is none (obviously Rivals and Scout aren't going to evaluate how accurate their forecasts are). 

Like all forecasting, its complete useless unless it is backtested.  Until then, it should continue to make for some really stupid bulletin board threads.

They are backtested. It's called the NBA draft.

What are the results?  2 rounds at 32 players a round = 64 players (needs to be adjusted for foreign players).  Of the college players I would presume at least half are 5 stars and the other half 4 stars.

TIA

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2011, 10:44:11 AM »
FYI:

These guys lead the nation in scoring:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Jimmer-Fredette-56117;_ylt=AgRdGLGklFD1y4RTMpVAlsjasJB4

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/basketball/recruiting/player-Kemba-Walker-60134;_ylt=Aiv5x48MWDxeA7T80KC.A9PasJB4
Kemba Walker's offer list sucks for how highly rated he was.


While somewhat reliable, especially on the highest end (like top 10-20 players), stars are waaayyy overrated as the "end all be all" of how good a player is.  Most kids aren't done growing/filling out when they're 16-18 years old.  Big dudes especially don't get their feet under them for a while after they stop growing.  I would love to see some empirical evidence as to how accurate these rankings are, but I'm guessing there is none (obviously Rivals and Scout aren't going to evaluate how accurate their forecasts are). 

Like all forecasting, its complete useless unless it is backtested.  Until then, it should continue to make for some really stupid bulletin board threads.

Nate Silver needs to get on this.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2011, 12:05:40 PM »
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What are the results?  2 rounds at 32 players a round = 64 players (needs to be adjusted for foreign players).  Of the college players I would presume at least half are 5 stars and the other half 4 stars.

TIA

       # Drafted     Avg Position      College Exp
5-star   22              27.2              2.00
4-star   14              31.8              3.21
3-star   12              29.8              3.17
2-star    4               24.3              3.25
 
               # Drafted    Avg. position     Avg. Stars
Freshman       10               20.7             4.9
Sophomore     12               24.6             4.3
Junior             14               25.0             3.6
Senior            17               41.2             3.5
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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2011, 01:07:30 PM »
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What are the results?  2 rounds at 32 players a round = 64 players (needs to be adjusted for foreign players).  Of the college players I would presume at least half are 5 stars and the other half 4 stars.

TIA

       # Drafted     Avg Position      College Exp
5-star   22              27.2              2.00
4-star   14              31.8              3.21
3-star   12              29.8              3.17
2-star    4               24.3              3.25
 
               # Drafted    Avg. position     Avg. Stars
Freshman       10               20.7             4.9
Sophomore     12               24.6             4.3
Junior             14               25.0             3.6
Senior            17               41.2             3.5

Thanks, where was this?

Just because a player wasn't drafted into the NBA doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't a great college player. Look at Clemente and Jon Scheyer. The reverse is also true.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2011, 01:53:31 PM »
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What are the results?  2 rounds at 32 players a round = 64 players (needs to be adjusted for foreign players).  Of the college players I would presume at least half are 5 stars and the other half 4 stars.

TIA

       # Drafted     Avg Position      College Exp
5-star   22              27.2              2.00
4-star   14              31.8              3.21
3-star   12              29.8              3.17
2-star    4               24.3              3.25
 
               # Drafted    Avg. position     Avg. Stars
Freshman       10               20.7             4.9
Sophomore     12               24.6             4.3
Junior             14               25.0             3.6
Senior            17               41.2             3.5

Thanks, where was this?

Just because a player wasn't drafted into the NBA doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't a great college player. Look at Clemente and Jon Scheyer. The reverse is also true.

I had nothing to do this morning and was interested, couldn't find it anywhere so I just did the research.  Its just for the 2010 draft since it turned out to be more time consuming than I thought.  Would be interesting to correlate stats with stars, since draft position doesn't necessarily have much to do with college performance.  That info is probably out there somewhere though.
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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2011, 01:58:46 PM »
Imagine what Colorado could do with guys like Pullen, Samuels, Judge, and McGruder.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2011, 02:06:51 PM »
Is this seriously a 4/5 star players are overrated in college basketball thread?  JFC you tards.

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2011, 02:23:41 PM »
Is this seriously a 4/5 star players are overrated in college basketball thread?  JFC you tards.

No, tard

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Re: Really wish we had a roster full of 5* players....
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2011, 03:39:27 PM »
Is this seriously a 4/5 star players are overrated in college basketball thread?  JFC you tards.

No, tard

Is this an "our coach can't coach" thread?