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I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« on: October 29, 2010, 06:19:45 AM »
http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewNews/Special_Ops_DIA_Prison_in_Afghanistan_Denies_Red_Cross_Access_to_Detainees_101017

http://pubrecord.org/torture/7620/cross-confirms-second-secret-prison/

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/10/hbc-90007739

The Horowitz report collects and corroborates earlier media accounts concerning the Tor Jail, and it helps establish that the Obama Administration brought change to the formal, public detentions policy while continuing the abusive secret operations of JSOC and the DIA.

Only the flying spaghetti monster knows what the CIA/Xe/JSOC hired gun assassination teams are up to inside Pakistan.



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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2010, 07:22:23 AM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2010, 12:02:27 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?


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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2010, 12:17:54 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?



If that report is accurate and Obama ordered prisoners to be tortured in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, U.N. Resolutions on Human Rights ratified by the U.S. Senate (also making them U.S. law) then yes.  Absolutely.  At some point there should a reckoning for all of this, clearly Obama will not pursue these.

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2010, 12:21:45 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?



If that report is accurate and Obama ordered prisoners to be tortured in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, U.N. Resolutions on Human Rights ratified by the U.S. Senate (also making them U.S. law) then yes.  Absolutely.  At some point there should a reckoning for all of this, clearly Obama will not pursue these.

If they weren't in uniform for a country, then Geneva doesn't apply. 

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2010, 01:16:01 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?



If that report is accurate and Obama ordered prisoners to be tortured in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, U.N. Resolutions on Human Rights ratified by the U.S. Senate (also making them U.S. law) then yes.  Absolutely.  At some point there should a reckoning for all of this, clearly Obama will not pursue these.

If they weren't in uniform for a country, then Geneva doesn't apply. 

Doesn't this get back to the whole "enemy combatant" v. "prisoner of war" thing.

Aren't Cuba, Egypt, and China on the Human Rights committee of the UN?  The UN has about as much respect worldwide as David Duke does in the black community.  F8cking waste of time and money.  Any UN resolution adopted is purely political pandering and has the teeth of a unborn child (aka fetus). 

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2010, 01:24:34 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?



If that report is accurate and Obama ordered prisoners to be tortured in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, U.N. Resolutions on Human Rights ratified by the U.S. Senate (also making them U.S. law) then yes.  Absolutely.  At some point there should a reckoning for all of this, clearly Obama will not pursue these.

If they weren't in uniform for a country, then Geneva doesn't apply. 

That's true.  But there are other laws that they could be held for.  The U.S. has to have a proceeding in front of a tribunal to determine that first.  Until that time they should be given POW status.  Clearly this has not  been U.S. policy during the "ongoing war on terror."

As for Sugar Dick, that's true.  But when the Senate ratifies, it becomes U.S. law.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2010, 01:39:59 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?



If that report is accurate and Obama ordered prisoners to be tortured in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, U.N. Resolutions on Human Rights ratified by the U.S. Senate (also making them U.S. law) then yes.  Absolutely.  At some point there should a reckoning for all of this, clearly Obama will not pursue these.

If they weren't in uniform for a country, then Geneva doesn't apply. 

That's true.  But there are other laws that they could be held for.  The U.S. has to have a proceeding in front of a tribunal to determine that first.  Until that time they should be given POW status.  Clearly this has not  been U.S. policy during the "ongoing war on terror."

As for Sugar Dick, that's true.  But when the Senate ratifies, it becomes U.S. law.

I know.  Some states still outlaw sodomy (can't be gay or get BJ's).  A law is only a law if its enforced.  Right now that law isn't being enforced (in the way you say it should be) so its not really much of a law.

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2010, 01:44:13 PM »
According to the new wikileaks we outsource a lot of our torture to the Iraqi army

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2010, 01:46:21 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?



If that report is accurate and Obama ordered prisoners to be tortured in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, U.N. Resolutions on Human Rights ratified by the U.S. Senate (also making them U.S. law) then yes.  Absolutely.  At some point there should a reckoning for all of this, clearly Obama will not pursue these.

If they weren't in uniform for a country, then Geneva doesn't apply. 

That's true.  But there are other laws that they could be held for.  The U.S. has to have a proceeding in front of a tribunal to determine that first.  Until that time they should be given POW status.  Clearly this has not  been U.S. policy during the "ongoing war on terror."

As for Sugar Dick, that's true.  But when the Senate ratifies, it becomes U.S. law.

I know.  Some states still outlaw sodomy (can't be gay or get BJ's).  A law is only a law if its enforced It's not a crime until you get caught.  Right now that law isn't being enforced (in the way you say it should be) so its not really much of a law.


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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2010, 04:20:27 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?



If that report is accurate and Obama ordered prisoners to be tortured in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, U.N. Resolutions on Human Rights ratified by the U.S. Senate (also making them U.S. law) then yes.  Absolutely.  At some point there should a reckoning for all of this, clearly Obama will not pursue these.

If they weren't in uniform for a country, then Geneva doesn't apply. 

That's true.  But there are other laws that they could be held for.  The U.S. has to have a proceeding in front of a tribunal to determine that first.  Until that time they should be given POW status.  Clearly this has not  been U.S. policy during the "ongoing war on terror."

As for Sugar Dick, that's true.  But when the Senate ratifies, it becomes U.S. law.

I know.  Some states still outlaw sodomy (can't be gay or get BJ's).  A law is only a law if its enforced It's not a crime until you get caught.  Right now that law isn't being enforced (in the way you say it should be) so its not really much of a law.


fyp

No, you messed up the post.  If you kill someone and you never get caught, did you not commit a crime?

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2010, 05:45:55 PM »
According to the new wikileaks we outsource a lot of our torture to the Iraqi army

Clinton outsourced torture to Egypt

Under W "enemy combatants" were treated far better than any administration in the past.  Which is why liberals hated him....I think....

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2010, 06:09:47 PM »
People who wear rags on their head are naturally suspicious, so torture is appropriate.

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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2010, 09:11:05 PM »
According to the new wikileaks we outsource a lot of our torture to the Iraqi army

Clinton outsourced torture to Egypt

Under W "enemy combatants" were treated far better than any administration in the past.  Which is why liberals hated him....I think....

This administration just sends up Drones and fires Hellfire missiles into houses of "suspects".   Judge, jury and executioner all in one.


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Re: I thought the U.S. was out of the torture business . . .
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2010, 09:27:21 PM »
They should all face war crimes charges. 

So the messiah is guilty of war crimes?



No.  These things only add up to torture (including not turning on the AC in 80 degree heat in Cuba) when Bush or a Republican is president.  When Our Lord and Saviour Barack Obama ascended to the throne he washed away all the nastiness.  Now these are friendly efforts and correction (you know, sometimes you got to play rough to show people just how much you love them :drool:).

Any of you that disagree are just  :opcat: