Minimizing mistakes over making plays

[kso_FAN]

I think the other thing at play (other than losing out more at JUCO talent) is that the offenses in the Big 12 in 96-03 are not the offenses that emerged once leach really came around into his own around 2005 and on. I think that not only did Bill have more talent in the late 90's/early 2000's, but the game was also a slower, more plodding game, and coming up with big home run places put you at an advantage. The roles are almost reversed today. We are really the only team in the Big 12 that purposefully tries to slow down the game, take as much time off the clock and reduce possessions, and of course play as clean a game as possible with the least amount of turnovers.

Sure, a significant part of that is due to not having as much top flight talent, but it also conveniently suits our lesser amounts of talent, and makes us once again the "odd ball" team out of the bunch, which I think makes it harder for teams to prepare against, and since we see basically the same thing from every team, we don't have to alter as much in prepping for them.

As for Nicname saying if this development has hurt us more or not, I think really all it's done lower the ceiling and raise the floor. WE won't ever be super amazing I think under this plan, but we won't fall off the map either.

Good post.

[nicname]

I think the other thing at play (other than losing out more at JUCO talent) is that the offenses in the Big 12 in 96-03 are not the offenses that emerged once leach really came around into his own around 2005 and on. I think that not only did Bill have more talent in the late 90's/early 2000's, but the game was also a slower, more plodding game, and coming up with big home run places put you at an advantage. The roles are almost reversed today. We are really the only team in the Big 12 that purposefully tries to slow down the game, take as much time off the clock and reduce possessions, and of course play as clean a game as possible with the least amount of turnovers.

Sure, a significant part of that is due to not having as much top flight talent, but it also conveniently suits our lesser amounts of talent, and makes us once again the "odd ball" team out of the bunch, which I think makes it harder for teams to prepare against, and since we see basically the same thing from every team, we don't have to alter as much in prepping for them.

As for Nicname saying if this development has hurt us more or not, I think really all it's done lower the ceiling and raise the floor. WE won't ever be super amazing I think under this plan, but we won't fall off the map either.

Good post.

Yep. Bold can be frustrating tho.

[MakeItRain]

The conference title runs weren't exactly Juco heavy. Yeah you had a couple big time transfers (Harper, Brown, Terry) but outside of Brown the real stars were all high school recruits. Not saying we couldn't be doing a better job there, but more schools recruiting Juco's is a pretty lame reason/excuse for the decline in talent.

well when the OP was talking about the 1997 fiesta team you can understand why i said that the jucos have changed. they have

But the changes are not why we no longer have elite talent

sure they are, the bigger schools have lowered their admission criteria which has hurt us in recruiting battles

I don't think this is true. I think that schools could still take prop 48 kids in 1997.

[Skipper44]

The conference title runs weren't exactly Juco heavy. Yeah you had a couple big time transfers (Harper, Brown, Terry) but outside of Brown the real stars were all high school recruits. Not saying we couldn't be doing a better job there, but more schools recruiting Juco's is a pretty lame reason/excuse for the decline in talent.

well when the OP was talking about the 1997 fiesta team you can understand why i said that the jucos have changed. they have

But the changes are not why we no longer have elite talent

sure they are, the bigger schools have lowered their admission criteria which has hurt us in recruiting battles

I don't think this is true. I think that schools could still take prop 48 kids in 1997.

I believe the Big 8 was the last of the major conferences to allow prop 48 kids and it was only 1 or 2 per year iiirc.

My bigger bitch is that we still have a decided advantage when it comes to getting JC kids into school due to KSU accepts credits but the current staff appears to not be up to the challenge of recruiting and developing them.  Even if we buy into the huge playbook bs nobody can convince me we can't integrate JC players into our basic as eff 4-3.