Author Topic: Now that the Cold War is back . . . (Read 3923 times)

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #25 on:** October 29, 2015, 03:30:27 PM »

Quote from: CNS on October 29, 2015, 02:11:14 PM

They are reintroducing themselves as a capable and relevant power.

Reminds me of how the Palm Pre signaled Palm's return to relevance.

8manpick · « **Reply #26 on:** November 17, 2015, 07:45:03 AM »

Any chance this is a good thing for Russia / Western relations, or are we mumped?

CNS · « **Reply #27 on:** November 17, 2015, 07:47:11 AM »

I would assume we are at odds. They want stability, and preferably without us there, since it's their doorstep. We want stability and would prefer to have it without Putin being asad's check with me OC.

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steve dave · « **Reply #28 on:** November 17, 2015, 08:05:41 AM »

Quote from: 8manpick on November 17, 2015, 07:45:03 AM

Any chance this is a good thing for Russia / Western relations, or are we mumped?

well, putin and barry hussein are essentially best buds now so I'd say yeah.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #29 on:** November 17, 2015, 08:06:29 AM »

Quote from: CNS on November 17, 2015, 07:47:11 AM

I would assume we are at odds. They want stability, and preferably without us there, since it's their doorstep. We want stability and would prefer to have it without Putin being asad's check with me OC.

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Well, when you come right out and say you've trained 10,000 plus people to overthrow a friend of a fairly powerful set of countries, that's probably not a good start at the negotiating table.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 17, 2015, 08:13:34 AM »

Or maybe it is?

ChiComCat · « **Reply #31 on:** November 17, 2015, 09:11:07 AM »

I see an odd couple type relationship developing now

steve dave · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2015, 10:46:01 AM »

best buds, someone add hearts above the pic

slackcat · « **Reply #33 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:22:15 AM »

BOOM!!

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sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #34 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:44:06 AM »

Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on November 17, 2015, 08:13:34 AM

Or maybe it is?

liblogic-War is good: As long as a Democrat is President

cfbandyman · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2015, 12:04:29 PM »

Quote from: 8manpick on September 11, 2015, 02:10:32 PM

I'm so glad that, unlike Dax, I don't see a crisis around every corner

Catastrophization isn't a college kids only problem. Also comes from the parent's generation.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #36 on:** November 24, 2015, 08:54:59 AM »

So Turkey shot down a Russian jet over Turkish airspace. This is going to get ugly.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 24, 2015, 09:26:37 AM »

That doesn't sound good

CNS · « **Reply #38 on:** November 24, 2015, 09:30:05 AM »

Yeah. I mean, WWI was started due to some dumbass nobody from a dumbass nobody country shooting someone important from a powerful country in a contentious region.

Thanks Turkey.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #39 on:** November 24, 2015, 09:32:00 AM »

Maybe Russia should fly their planes where they belong.

CNS · « **Reply #40 on:** November 24, 2015, 09:33:38 AM »

I haven't dove into this yet. Only heard the radio thing this morning, however mr radio thing guy said that there is a possibility that the plane wasn't even in the airspace but close to it. He made it sound like that wasn't fully clear yet.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #41 on:** November 24, 2015, 09:36:33 AM »

Quote from: CNS on November 24, 2015, 09:33:38 AM

I haven't dove into this yet. Only heard the radio thing this morning, however mr radio thing guy said that there is a possibility that the plane wasn't even in the airspace but close to it. He made it sound like that wasn't fully clear yet.

Someone in the US intelligence community leaked that according to our satellites the jet was over Turkey. Or at least that's what they want us to believe.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #42 on:** November 24, 2015, 10:33:42 AM »

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891003

So do I have this right? Russia's primary aim is to help prop up Assad by crushing ISIS. The US's primary aim is to "contain" ISIS but not take aggressive military action to wipe them out because we're still hoping the chaos will topple Assad. In the meantime, NATO ally Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter jet, and now US-backed Syrian "rebels" have shot down a Russian rescue helicopter.

It seems like our Syria "strategy" has both allowed ISIS to grow in strength and dangerously inflamed military conflict with the Russians without really doing anything to further American interests. Or am I wrong?

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #43 on:** November 24, 2015, 10:39:26 AM »

You forgot the part about getting a lot of innocent people killed, which is more troubling, IMO.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #44 on:** November 24, 2015, 11:57:13 AM »

Quote from: CNS on November 24, 2015, 09:33:38 AM

I haven't dove into this yet. Only heard the radio thing this morning, however mr radio thing guy said that there is a possibility that the plane wasn't even in the airspace but close to it. He made it sound like that wasn't fully clear yet.

It is being reported that the jet was in Turkish airspace for 5 minutes and got 10 warnings before it was shot down. What I don't understand is that if the plane was shot down in Turkish airspace then why did the pilots land in Syria an area controlled by non ISIS rebels fighting Assad? Do you drift a lot when skydiving? One of the pilots was shot and the other is missing.

CNS · « **Reply #45 on:** November 24, 2015, 11:59:10 AM »

5 min in a fighter jet is a long time, imo.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #46 on:** November 24, 2015, 12:00:56 PM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 24, 2015, 10:33:42 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891003

So do I have this right? Russia's primary aim is to help prop up Assad by crushing ISIS. The US's primary aim is to "contain" ISIS but not take aggressive military action to wipe them out because we're still hoping the chaos will topple Assad. In the meantime, NATO ally Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter jet, and now US-backed Syrian "rebels" have shot down a Russian rescue helicopter.

It seems like our Syria "strategy" has both allowed ISIS to grow in strength and dangerously inflamed military conflict with the Russians without really doing anything to further American interests. Or am I wrong?

Why are you tying these anti Assad fighters with ISIS, you know they're different right?

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #47 on:** November 24, 2015, 12:30:27 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on November 24, 2015, 11:57:13 AM

Quote from: CNS on November 24, 2015, 09:33:38 AM
I haven't dove into this yet. Only heard the radio thing this morning, however mr radio thing guy said that there is a possibility that the plane wasn't even in the airspace but close to it. He made it sound like that wasn't fully clear yet.

It is being reported that the jet was in Turkish airspace for 5 minutes and got 10 warnings before it was shot down. What I don't understand is that if the plane was shot down in Turkish airspace then why did the pilots land in Syria an area controlled by non ISIS rebels fighting Assad? Do you drift a lot when skydiving? One of the pilots was shot and the other is missing.

The article I read said that, according to US intelligence/satellites, he was only 0.5 miles from the border, on the Turkish side. At 300 miles per hour, he'd only have to have flown for 10 seconds to get back to Syria. Depending on altitude, it's plausible for both the wreckage and the pilots to end up in Syria.