Slow day in the pit

[Rage Against the McKee]

states should be redrawn based upon current population centers and evenly distributed based on population. Redraw the lines every 50-100 years.

The western states should be redrawn based upon resource locations. The eastern states were drawn this way. The western states are just big rectangles for the most part.

I think even distribution based around population centers is better (and would basically take care of resource locations). Baltimore/DC/Northern Virginia should be a single state. The NYC metro should be contained in a single state. The Chicago, KC, STL metros, etc.

Where do you put Montana?

With Denver's state. Or maybe Seattle. Don't know how it shakes out.

Nothing in Montana is remotely close to Denver or Seattle. That would cause problems.

What kind of problems?

The kind of problems K-S-U likes to bitch about. People in the cities have to help fund schools in isolated areas that have industries that prop up the state, etc.

That's always going to happen in a country as vast with such varying population density, regardless of how boundaries are drawn.

It's possible to create states without the vastness and widely varying population density, though. That should be the goal.

[michigancat]

states should be redrawn based upon current population centers and evenly distributed based on population. Redraw the lines every 50-100 years.

The western states should be redrawn based upon resource locations. The eastern states were drawn this way. The western states are just big rectangles for the most part.

I think even distribution based around population centers is better (and would basically take care of resource locations). Baltimore/DC/Northern Virginia should be a single state. The NYC metro should be contained in a single state. The Chicago, KC, STL metros, etc.

Where do you put Montana?

With Denver's state. Or maybe Seattle. Don't know how it shakes out.

Nothing in Montana is remotely close to Denver or Seattle. That would cause problems.

What kind of problems?

The kind of problems K-S-U likes to bitch about. People in the cities have to help fund schools in isolated areas that have industries that prop up the state, etc.

That's always going to happen in a country as vast with such varying population density, regardless of how boundaries are drawn.

It's possible to create states without the vastness and widely varying population density, though. That should be the goal.

Why?

[Rage Against the McKee]

states should be redrawn based upon current population centers and evenly distributed based on population. Redraw the lines every 50-100 years.

The western states should be redrawn based upon resource locations. The eastern states were drawn this way. The western states are just big rectangles for the most part.

I think even distribution based around population centers is better (and would basically take care of resource locations). Baltimore/DC/Northern Virginia should be a single state. The NYC metro should be contained in a single state. The Chicago, KC, STL metros, etc.

Where do you put Montana?

With Denver's state. Or maybe Seattle. Don't know how it shakes out.

Nothing in Montana is remotely close to Denver or Seattle. That would cause problems.

What kind of problems?

The kind of problems K-S-U likes to bitch about. People in the cities have to help fund schools in isolated areas that have industries that prop up the state, etc.

That's always going to happen in a country as vast with such varying population density, regardless of how boundaries are drawn.

It's possible to create states without the vastness and widely varying population density, though. That should be the goal.

Why?

People get the laws/tax code they want.

[michigancat]

states should be redrawn based upon current population centers and evenly distributed based on population. Redraw the lines every 50-100 years.

The western states should be redrawn based upon resource locations. The eastern states were drawn this way. The western states are just big rectangles for the most part.

I think even distribution based around population centers is better (and would basically take care of resource locations). Baltimore/DC/Northern Virginia should be a single state. The NYC metro should be contained in a single state. The Chicago, KC, STL metros, etc.

Where do you put Montana?

With Denver's state. Or maybe Seattle. Don't know how it shakes out.

Nothing in Montana is remotely close to Denver or Seattle. That would cause problems.

What kind of problems?

The kind of problems K-S-U likes to bitch about. People in the cities have to help fund schools in isolated areas that have industries that prop up the state, etc.

That's always going to happen in a country as vast with such varying population density, regardless of how boundaries are drawn.

It's possible to create states without the vastness and widely varying population density, though. That should be the goal.

Why?

People get the laws/tax code they want.

Why do the rural poor of Montana matter more than the urban poor of Chicago?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why do the rural poor of Montana matter more than the urban poor of Chicago?

They matter the same. That is why it is better that the poor of Montana get to set their own policies. Otherwise, they have no say in anything.

[michigancat]

Why do the rural poor of Montana matter more than the urban poor of Chicago?

They matter the same. That is why it is better that the poor of Montana get to set their own policies. Otherwise, they have no say in anything.

Under my proposal they would be equally represented.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why do the rural poor of Montana matter more than the urban poor of Chicago?

They matter the same. That is why it is better that the poor of Montana get to set their own policies. Otherwise, they have no say in anything.

Under my proposal they would be equally represented.

Not really. They would have different needs that are completely unrelated, and one group would have a lot more votes than the other.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

This is the dumbest thread I've read in a long time

[star seed 7]

Fsd, how big do you think States should be?

[michigancat]

Why do the rural poor of Montana matter more than the urban poor of Chicago?

They matter the same. That is why it is better that the poor of Montana get to set their own policies. Otherwise, they have no say in anything.

Under my proposal they would be equally represented.

Not really. They would have different needs that are completely unrelated, and one group would have a lot more votes than the other.

There are plenty of underrepresented groups in urban areas with completely different and unrelated needs, too.

[michigancat]

And it would make many rural folks in places like California, New York and Texas LESS underrepresented because they would likely be in a less populated state with more people with needs similar to their own.

[renocat]

Sitting on the throne passing a brick.  This can be a joyful experience.  Anyone else feel the same?  With emotions involved can Vulans crap?  Does Obama the egotist turn around and admire his artwork and savor the smell? Maybe that's his problem of why he thinks he is right,

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Fsd, how big do you think States should be?

Let's let the caliphate decide

[star seed 7]

1 state then!

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

We should sell California to the Chinese and payoff the national debt.  Maybe 1031 exchange some of the land for Baja mexico, so we still have good warm pacific coast. If not, split Alaska into two states so we don't have to change the flag.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why do the rural poor of Montana matter more than the urban poor of Chicago?

They matter the same. That is why it is better that the poor of Montana get to set their own policies. Otherwise, they have no say in anything.

Under my proposal they would be equally represented.

Not really. They would have different needs that are completely unrelated, and one group would have a lot more votes than the other.

There are plenty of underrepresented groups in urban areas with completely different and unrelated needs, too.

Like who? Do you think somebody living 400 miles away from a ranch should have equal say on the environmental policy the ranch has to follow as the people living in close proximity?

[michigancat]

Why do the rural poor of Montana matter more than the urban poor of Chicago?

They matter the same. That is why it is better that the poor of Montana get to set their own policies. Otherwise, they have no say in anything.

Under my proposal they would be equally represented.

Not really. They would have different needs that are completely unrelated, and one group would have a lot more votes than the other.

There are plenty of underrepresented groups in urban areas with completely different and unrelated needs, too.

Like who?

gays immediately come to mind. Various immigrant groups, industries, and ages of people are often underrepresented in some form.

Do you think somebody living 400 miles away from a ranch should have equal say on the environmental policy the ranch has to follow as the people living in close proximity?

Yes, because environmental policy affects everyone.

However, new state lines would create larger blocs of people with similar interests. A great example of this is counties in New York that were proposing secession to Pennsylvania to get around the fracking ban. In my concept, they'd already be grouped with rural Pennsylvania and wouldn't be beholden to them whims of New York City.

So in your Montana example, it could have a negative affect on representation, but it would give them a larger pool of state resources to draw from. And it would increase the political power of rural folks in Colorado who had previously been dominated by Denver and Colorado Springs.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Environmental policy has a diminishing return the further away you are. If we would have divided the states based upon resource locations (river basins, oil, and natural gas), I think we would have much better environmental policy at the state level, fewer lawsuits over water, and much more unified goals overall.

[Dugout DickStone]

We should sell California to the Chinese and payoff the national debt.  Maybe 1031 exchange some of the land for Baja mexico, so we still have good warm pacific coast. If not, split Alaska into two states so we don't have to change the flag.

Add PR

[wetwillie]

We should sell California to the Chinese and payoff the national debt.  Maybe 1031 exchange some of the land for Baja mexico, so we still have good warm pacific coast. If not, split Alaska into two states so we don't have to change the flag.

Add PR

Nobody wants them plus we need another place for gitmo 2.0 should the need arise.

[star seed 7]

I could easily get rid of Florida

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I could easily get rid of Florida

It will be under water by 2025.

[star seed 7]

even more reason to unload it now