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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2014, 11:13:25 PM »
I'm still shocked at our 3pt% defense. Just the eye test, but it seems like other teams have had a lot of wide open looks from outside, and they're just flat out missing them. I would have to think that this stat will even out over the course of the year, and that's not great news for the cats. No fancy stats here folks, just my peepers, and what they peep could spell trouble for us down the road.
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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2014, 11:19:58 PM »
I'm still shocked at our 3pt% defense. Just the eye test, but it seems like other teams have had a lot of wide open looks from outside, and they're just flat out missing them. I would have to think that this stat will even out over the course of the year, and that's not great news for the cats. No fancy stats here folks, just my peepers, and what they peep could spell trouble for us down the road.

Our current 3FG defense would easily be the best in the last 10 years if it held out. It won't.

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2014, 11:22:57 PM »
Hopefully KU takes 50 threes this Saturday and makes them all, so we can appease the stat gods in one fell swoop.
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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2014, 12:19:11 AM »
The 3pt defense will even out in the two games against Iowa State, they just never miss.

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2014, 01:13:31 AM »
The 3pt defense will even out in the two games against Iowa State, they just never miss.

3-Point FG Percentage
## Team                  G     FG   FGA   Pct
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 1.Baylor.............. 14     99   232  .427
 2.West Virginia....... 15    123   309  .398
 3.Oklahoma............ 15    115   303  .380
 4.Oklahoma State...... 15    104   275  .378
 5.Iowa State.......... 14    127   348  .365
 6.Kansas.............. 14     73   214  .341
 7.Texas............... 15     81   239  .339
 8.TCU................. 14     69   207  .333
 9.Texas Tech.......... 15     73   229  .319
10.Kansas State........ 15     87   286  .304

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2014, 01:25:47 AM »
What do good 3 pt% defense teams do?  Get a hand in the face?  Seems like running them off the 3 point line is the best defense but that wouldn't help your 3 pt% defense.  Maybe it is helped by playing really good defense and forcing a contested 3 at the end of the shot clock?  Just trying to get a grasp on what we could be doing.

I think that's it for the most part.  Forcing teams to shoot mid-range rather than 3-pointers or, as you said, forcing a majority of 3's to be rushed late in the shot clock types.
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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2014, 06:32:37 AM »
I assume most people have read these, but I'll post them again anyway.

The first one addresses our situation: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/3_point_defense_should_not_be_defined_by_opponents_3p

The second one does show that teams do have some control on 3pt shot quality and thus have some control on 3pt defense: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/one_last_post_on_3p_defense

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2014, 08:45:14 AM »
I assume most people have read these, but I'll post them again anyway.

The first one addresses our situation: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/3_point_defense_should_not_be_defined_by_opponents_3p

The second one does show that teams do have some control on 3pt shot quality and thus have some control on 3pt defense: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/one_last_post_on_3p_defense


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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2014, 10:27:11 AM »
I assume most people have read these, but I'll post them again anyway.

The first one addresses our situation: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/3_point_defense_should_not_be_defined_by_opponents_3p

The second one does show that teams do have some control on 3pt shot quality and thus have some control on 3pt defense: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/one_last_post_on_3p_defense

I mean, I could buy that Syracuse affects 3FG, but I'd be skeptical about Arizona. Didn't they have three coaches over the span he was looking at?

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2014, 10:33:45 AM »
I assume most people have read these, but I'll post them again anyway.

The first one addresses our situation: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/3_point_defense_should_not_be_defined_by_opponents_3p

The second one does show that teams do have some control on 3pt shot quality and thus have some control on 3pt defense: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/one_last_post_on_3p_defense

I mean, I could buy that Syracuse affects 3FG, but I'd be skeptical about Arizona. Didn't they have three coaches over the span he was looking at?

Yeah, good point. Miller had 3 seasons of date, but then you had Pennell and O'Neill.

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2014, 04:06:41 PM »
Year   AdjD   Rank
2014   92.7   13
2013   95.0   56
2012   92.3   21
2011   93.4   25
2010   91.3   16
2009   95.5   49
2008   96.0   52
2007   95.0   39
2006   96.6   69
2005   99.1   100
2004   95.2   44
2003   96.5   66



gotten a tad worse, now at 92.7 but still 13th best in the country.

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2014, 04:35:57 PM »
4 of the last 5 years in the top 25. Impressive

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2014, 04:54:46 PM »
the defense has been very surprising, at least to me.
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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2014, 05:02:04 PM »
the defense has been very surprising, at least to me.

I feel like teams should be destroying our lazy ball screen hedges, rotations, and recoveries, but I don't think many college teams are good enough to do that. (KU seems to handle it OK).

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2014, 05:12:56 PM »
the defense has been very surprising, at least to me.

I feel like teams should be destroying our lazy ball screen hedges, rotations, and recoveries, but I don't think many college teams are good enough to do that. (KU seems to handle it OK).
i agree with this but my mind's eye tells me i shouldn't. 


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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2014, 05:17:52 PM »
the defense has been very surprising, at least to me.

I feel like teams should be destroying our lazy ball screen hedges, rotations, and recoveries, but I don't think many college teams are good enough to do that. (KU seems to handle it OK).
i agree with this but my mind's eye tells me i shouldn't. 

we should probably just accept the numbers, I guess.

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Re: KSU defensive efficiency through the years.
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2014, 07:49:17 PM »
2PT% is my biggest surprise. We have to have the best 2PT% defenses when compared to bad block% in the country.