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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #100 on: May 02, 2013, 01:52:49 PM »
so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?

Link the article that said he got the waiver Luke.

I'm so confused  :dunno:

You said you read an article, I'd like to read it too. Can you tell me where to find it?
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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #101 on: May 02, 2013, 01:57:36 PM »
so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?

Link the article that said he got the waiver Luke.

I'm so confused  :dunno:

You said you read an article, I'd like to read it too. Can you tell me where to find it?

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #102 on: May 02, 2013, 02:05:13 PM »
you know what they always say, when the going gets financially tough, just transfer to miami or take the south carolina job

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #103 on: May 02, 2013, 02:22:18 PM »
how would he get a hardship waiver?

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #104 on: May 02, 2013, 02:26:49 PM »
how would he get a hardship waiver?

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #105 on: May 02, 2013, 05:47:27 PM »
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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #106 on: May 02, 2013, 05:56:57 PM »
how would he get a hardship waiver?

art hasn't chosen to share his family's fortunes and misfortunes with the public, which means they don't exist and the ncaa is a joke if they give him a waiver.
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« Reply #107 on: May 02, 2013, 06:25:08 PM »
The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #108 on: May 02, 2013, 08:46:28 PM »
The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.

HIPAA bruh

i don't think you understand how HIPAA works.

also here's the family hardship waiver stuff
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Family Hardship Waivers

Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.

The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.

    Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
    Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
    Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.

When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:

    Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
    Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
    A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.

These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.


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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #109 on: May 02, 2013, 09:57:11 PM »
the ncaa also  added a distance req of 100 miles from the family member in question.   Coral  Gables  is  much  closer to San Juan  but  still almost 10x  the  limit.

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #110 on: May 02, 2013, 10:19:24 PM »
the ncaa also  added a distance req of 100 miles from the family member in question.   Coral  Gables  is  much  closer to San Juan  but  still almost 10x  the  limit.

Maybe it doesn't include water.  I also don't think it should include air.  Like if Angel's sick family member lived on a space station it should just be within 100 miles of the nearest launch pad.  100 miles of dry land excluding water distance or vertical air. 
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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #111 on: May 02, 2013, 10:20:54 PM »
the ncaa also  added a distance req of 100 miles from the family member in question.   Coral  Gables  is  much  closer to San Juan  but  still almost 10x  the  limit.

Maybe it doesn't include water.  I also don't think it should include air.  Like if Angel's sick family member lived on a space station it should just be within 100 miles of the nearest launch pad.  100 miles of dry land excluding water distance or vertical air. 

also Miami's probably the CLOSEST school to PR.

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #112 on: May 02, 2013, 10:56:06 PM »
The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.

HIPAA bruh

i don't think you understand how HIPAA works.

also here's the family hardship waiver stuff
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Family Hardship Waivers

Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.

The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.

    Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
    Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
    Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.

When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:

    Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
    Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
    A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.

These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.

Not sure where you found that BS but this is directly from ESPN.
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NCAA approves half of all hardship waivers
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By Eamonn Brennan | ESPN.com
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One of the more confusing aspects of the NCAA's transfer policy -- a policy the organization is seeking to streamline, as our Dana O'Neil reported today -- is the hardship waiver. Simply put (by John Infante at the old Bylaw Blog), a hardship waiver is "for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."

It feels like we've seen more and more of these hardship requests in recent seasons; it is not at all infrequent to hear news of a player wishing to transfer closer to home to be near a sick relative. For example, on Thursday, the NCAA denied Seton Hall transfer Sterling Gibbs' hardship waiver request. Gibbs had hoped to be eligible at Seton Hall as early as this season, citing the health of a family member as his primary reason for the move.

So, in the wake of Mark Emmert's discussion of transfers on this week's Outside the Lines, I thought it might be pertinent to a) see exactly how often the NCAA approves or denies hardship waiver requests and b) clarify how the NCAA actually decides such cases.

First, the numbers. What follows are the overall numbers for all hardship waiver requests -- including, but not limited to, requests related to the health of a family member -- in Division I athletics over the past five seasons (April 2007-April 2012).

Graduate transfer requests are fairly straightforward: If a player has graduated with eligibility and wishes to pursue a final year at a school that offers a post-graduate program not offered by his former school, the NCAA almost always approves the status. But undergraduate hardship requests are met with much more resistance:

Overall (all Division I sports):

Graduate student transfer waivers (past five years):
184 approved
20 approved with conditions
17 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers (past five years):
288 approved
19 approved with conditions
324 denied

Basketball

Graduate student transfer waivers:
36 approved
1 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers:
47 approved
47 denied

Football

Graduate student transfer waivers:
81 approved
3 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers:
85 approved
86 denied

As you can see, the NCAA denies about half of all undergraduate hardship waiver requests, both in basketball and in football. Below are the basketball numbers from April 2011-April 2012 alone:

Basketball

Graduate student transfer waivers (2011-12):
4 approved
1 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers (2011-12):
15 approved
17 denied

How many of those are related to the health of a family member? Unfortunately, we don't know: NCAA spokesman Cameron Schuh said the organization doesn't track or break down those types of requests within its hardship waiver data. The numbers above refer to all hardship requests, which can also include injury and financial hardship, as above

Title IX also has privacy clauses built into it. There is an ongoing case at KSU involving a womens sport with this right now.

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #113 on: May 02, 2013, 11:16:04 PM »
The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.

HIPAA bruh

i don't think you understand how HIPAA works.

also here's the family hardship waiver stuff
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Family Hardship Waivers

Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.

The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.

    Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
    Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
    Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.

When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:

    Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
    Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
    A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.

These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.

Not sure where you found that BS but this is directly from ESPN.
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NCAA approves half of all hardship waivers
July, 13, 2012
7/13/12
3:45
PM ET
By Eamonn Brennan | ESPN.com
RECOMMEND7TWEET40COMMENTS0EMAILPRINT
One of the more confusing aspects of the NCAA's transfer policy -- a policy the organization is seeking to streamline, as our Dana O'Neil reported today -- is the hardship waiver. Simply put (by John Infante at the old Bylaw Blog), a hardship waiver is "for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."

It feels like we've seen more and more of these hardship requests in recent seasons; it is not at all infrequent to hear news of a player wishing to transfer closer to home to be near a sick relative. For example, on Thursday, the NCAA denied Seton Hall transfer Sterling Gibbs' hardship waiver request. Gibbs had hoped to be eligible at Seton Hall as early as this season, citing the health of a family member as his primary reason for the move.

So, in the wake of Mark Emmert's discussion of transfers on this week's Outside the Lines, I thought it might be pertinent to a) see exactly how often the NCAA approves or denies hardship waiver requests and b) clarify how the NCAA actually decides such cases.

First, the numbers. What follows are the overall numbers for all hardship waiver requests -- including, but not limited to, requests related to the health of a family member -- in Division I athletics over the past five seasons (April 2007-April 2012).

Graduate transfer requests are fairly straightforward: If a player has graduated with eligibility and wishes to pursue a final year at a school that offers a post-graduate program not offered by his former school, the NCAA almost always approves the status. But undergraduate hardship requests are met with much more resistance:

Overall (all Division I sports):

Graduate student transfer waivers (past five years):
184 approved
20 approved with conditions
17 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers (past five years):
288 approved
19 approved with conditions
324 denied

Basketball

Graduate student transfer waivers:
36 approved
1 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers:
47 approved
47 denied

Football

Graduate student transfer waivers:
81 approved
3 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers:
85 approved
86 denied

As you can see, the NCAA denies about half of all undergraduate hardship waiver requests, both in basketball and in football. Below are the basketball numbers from April 2011-April 2012 alone:

Basketball

Graduate student transfer waivers (2011-12):
4 approved
1 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers (2011-12):
15 approved
17 denied

How many of those are related to the health of a family member? Unfortunately, we don't know: NCAA spokesman Cameron Schuh said the organization doesn't track or break down those types of requests within its hardship waiver data. The numbers above refer to all hardship requests, which can also include injury and financial hardship, as above

Title IX also has privacy clauses built into it. There is an ongoing case at KSU involving a womens sport with this right now.

Interesting read, eastcat. Any details you can share on the ongoing case?

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #114 on: May 03, 2013, 07:22:32 AM »
'sclams gets smack right in his smart mouth and sent to bed without his dinner. Jeez.
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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #115 on: May 03, 2013, 07:47:40 AM »
The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.

HIPAA bruh

i don't think you understand how HIPAA works.

also here's the family hardship waiver stuff
Quote
Family Hardship Waivers

Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.

The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.

    Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
    Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
    Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.

When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:

    Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
    Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
    A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.

These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.

Not sure where you found that BS but this is directly from ESPN.
Quote
NCAA approves half of all hardship waivers
July, 13, 2012
7/13/12
3:45
PM ET
By Eamonn Brennan | ESPN.com
RECOMMEND7TWEET40COMMENTS0EMAILPRINT
One of the more confusing aspects of the NCAA's transfer policy -- a policy the organization is seeking to streamline, as our Dana O'Neil reported today -- is the hardship waiver. Simply put (by John Infante at the old Bylaw Blog), a hardship waiver is "for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."

It feels like we've seen more and more of these hardship requests in recent seasons; it is not at all infrequent to hear news of a player wishing to transfer closer to home to be near a sick relative. For example, on Thursday, the NCAA denied Seton Hall transfer Sterling Gibbs' hardship waiver request. Gibbs had hoped to be eligible at Seton Hall as early as this season, citing the health of a family member as his primary reason for the move.

So, in the wake of Mark Emmert's discussion of transfers on this week's Outside the Lines, I thought it might be pertinent to a) see exactly how often the NCAA approves or denies hardship waiver requests and b) clarify how the NCAA actually decides such cases.

First, the numbers. What follows are the overall numbers for all hardship waiver requests -- including, but not limited to, requests related to the health of a family member -- in Division I athletics over the past five seasons (April 2007-April 2012).

Graduate transfer requests are fairly straightforward: If a player has graduated with eligibility and wishes to pursue a final year at a school that offers a post-graduate program not offered by his former school, the NCAA almost always approves the status. But undergraduate hardship requests are met with much more resistance:

Overall (all Division I sports):

Graduate student transfer waivers (past five years):
184 approved
20 approved with conditions
17 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers (past five years):
288 approved
19 approved with conditions
324 denied

Basketball

Graduate student transfer waivers:
36 approved
1 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers:
47 approved
47 denied

Football

Graduate student transfer waivers:
81 approved
3 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers:
85 approved
86 denied

As you can see, the NCAA denies about half of all undergraduate hardship waiver requests, both in basketball and in football. Below are the basketball numbers from April 2011-April 2012 alone:

Basketball

Graduate student transfer waivers (2011-12):
4 approved
1 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers (2011-12):
15 approved
17 denied

How many of those are related to the health of a family member? Unfortunately, we don't know: NCAA spokesman Cameron Schuh said the organization doesn't track or break down those types of requests within its hardship waiver data. The numbers above refer to all hardship requests, which can also include injury and financial hardship, as above

Title IX also has privacy clauses built into it. There is an ongoing case at KSU involving a womens sport with this right now.


eastcat, next time can you quote something pertinent to the discussion or just stfu son because you're dumbass is showing.  otherwise we can just fight, i'm good w/ that too.  i'm sure i can squeeze you into my training scheds. 


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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #116 on: May 03, 2013, 07:49:02 AM »
'sclams gets smack right in his smart mouth and sent to bed without his dinner. Jeez.

i just responded w/ threats of violence   :cheers:


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« Reply #117 on: May 03, 2013, 08:01:16 AM »
Having a smart mouth and violent extremities is an elite combo.   
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« Reply #118 on: May 03, 2013, 08:04:50 AM »
+ MMA training but even though i partially torn my patellar i don't care so i guess add that i'm also reckless


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« Reply #119 on: May 03, 2013, 08:12:10 AM »
Maybe Obamacare will help us and force Angel to sit for a year.

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« Reply #120 on: May 03, 2013, 09:16:04 AM »
So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?
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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #121 on: May 03, 2013, 09:21:34 AM »
So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?

I knew, if given enough time, you would come up with a classic burn.

Also, you forgot your ISU'ey trademark racist descriptor. 

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #122 on: May 03, 2013, 10:33:07 AM »
So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?

I knew, if given enough time, you would come up with a classic burn.

Also, you forgot your ISU'ey trademark racist descriptor.
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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #123 on: May 03, 2013, 12:08:11 PM »
So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?

This is a classic case of why posters should pick their spots. This dude has thrown so much crap against the wall in hopes of something sticking that this decent post didn't solicit the response it would have gotten from nearly any other non-KSU poster.

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Re: So Angel's confirmed for Miami, huh...
« Reply #124 on: May 03, 2013, 12:18:04 PM »
So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?

This is a classic case of why posters should pick their spots. This dude has thrown so much crap against the wall in hopes of something sticking that this decent post didn't solicit the response it would have gotten from nearly any other non-KSU poster.

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