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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2013, 10:43:07 AM »
Match-ups (in order of importance).

1) Angel (Tay) vs Johnson (Tharpe). Yes, I'd put this match-up higher than McClemore/Rod. IMHO, point guard play will go a long way toward deciding this game. Angel not only needs to continue creating and forcing turnovers, but tonight he must hit shots at a better clip. Johnson is a good player, but I think KU might be most vulnerable here.

2) Rod vs McClemore. Granted, they likely won't be matched up much of the game; Releford will likely get Rod most of the time while oscar throws several defenders at McClemore. However, the efficiency of scoring for each team starts with their two scoring stars; here the experienced SR vs the lottery pick talent Frosh. I think PG is more important, but this one is a close 2nd.

3) Withey vs Gip/JO. KU will win this battle, but K-State has to compete here. I'd take it if we could get JO/Gip to combine for a double-double and not allow Withey to get 8-10 blocks. Also, crisp movement in the motion and the ability to get Withey away from the rim would help open up the lane for others.

4) Shane/Will vs Releford/Ellis/Young. The final round becomes about the secondary players. K-State could probably throw Nino in here too, but Shane is the small ball 4 that has come on the most. And Shane/Will hitting some perimeter shots could be the difference. I've already said 3PT shots will likely be a huge part of K-State's chances to win and the Cats will need more than just Rod hitting shots. Releford is an efficient scorer and shooter, so whichever Cat defender ends up guarding him (probably Will) needs to do a great job limiting wide open shots.

To win it, K-State needs to win at least 3 of the 4 match-ups. 2 of 4 won't get it done and worse will be a Bramlage blowout.

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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2013, 11:01:24 AM »
i expect Rod to dominate Mediocremore.
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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2013, 11:02:19 AM »
i expect Rod to dominate Mediocremore.

I like McCleless my self.

I would love to see Rod go out and get 30.

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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2013, 11:58:41 AM »
I expect McLemoriarty to dominate Rod. Rod is due for a bad game. We've been shooting above our heads recently.

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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2013, 12:26:02 PM »
stopped reading at "oscar is much more a scheme [doctor]"
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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2013, 12:30:23 PM »
stopped reading at "oscar is much more a scheme [doctor]"

You don't agree? Why?

Again, I don't think Frank just rolled a ball out; he is a very good basketball coach. But I think its fair to say oscar's scheme (especially offense) is more about the scheme and tactics and Frank's was more about relying on play-making in the midst of a continuity/pattern offense (based on the triangle). There is more reading/reacting going on in oscar's offense.

FWIW, I don't think either are better/worse strategies to win games. To win either way you need players.

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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2013, 01:48:53 PM »
stopped reading at "oscar is much more a scheme [doctor]"

You don't agree? Why?

Again, I don't think Frank just rolled a ball out; he is a very good basketball coach. But I think its fair to say oscar's scheme (especially offense) is more about the scheme and tactics and Frank's was more about relying on play-making in the midst of a continuity/pattern offense (based on the triangle). There is more reading/reacting going on in oscar's offense.

FWIW, I don't think either are better/worse strategies to win games. To win either way you need players.
I agree with this. But, frank was implementing more of a motion offense his last year.  :dunno:
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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2013, 01:51:30 PM »
i expect Rod to dominate Mediocremore.

I like McCleless my self.

I would love to see Rod go out and get 30.

admittedly, i didn't put a lot of time into it.
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Re: Beating KU (or anyone good really)
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2013, 01:54:40 PM »
I agree with this. But, frank was implementing more of a motion offense his last year.  :dunno:

Frank's (or Underwood's) offense was based on the triangle. The differences aren't huge, but it was more of a pattern/continuity offense that still required screening and reading. However, it didn't require the number of reads by both the cutter and the screener, not the number of different screens/cuts that oscar's offense requires. Also, Frank then had several set plays that we would run. Again, both require solid scheming or Xs/Os or whatever you want to call it, I just think oscar's is a little more fine tuned in that regard. And Frank's gave more freedom eventually for playmakers to make go make plays, ie. players generating shots whereas oscar's offense generates more shots for players from the offense itself. Again, the assist/TO numbers show that, IMHO.