hey illini bad person, take your condescending crap to some other board. everyone here recognizes that weber is a shittier coach than martin. some people choose to support him anyways, based on party loyalty and a shared group identity. they're rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) nazis, but even they don't need your arrogant, stats-for-morons, humble elitist posts trying to educate us about basketball. so eff off.