Bad bad bear!

[ednksu]

Great to see Drew get whacked, but am I the only one who doesn't really understand the limits on calls and texts.

BITB gave the analogy yesterday that texts/calls have become for the NCAA like tax issues were in for the government in arresting guys like Al Capone back in the day. The texts/calls are something that the NCAA can easily get the data on and go after you, especially when they suspect you may be doing more.

i don't think it's a very good analogy by BITBs.
the NCAA does not have subpoena power and cell phone companies can't and won't give out their users phone/text usage data without it. the only way the NCAA is going to get phone/text data is if a kid hands their phone over to the NCAA.  i know griner self-reported but i doubt it happens very often or is easy.

there must be something else going on at the school level.  How did they get the dirt on Kelvin? 

everyone needs to slow down.  no one should lose their head over this.

 

someone is old enough to get it.

[pissclams]

Great to see Drew get whacked, but am I the only one who doesn't really understand the limits on calls and texts.

BITB gave the analogy yesterday that texts/calls have become for the NCAA like tax issues were in for the government in arresting guys like Al Capone back in the day. The texts/calls are something that the NCAA can easily get the data on and go after you, especially when they suspect you may be doing more.

i don't think it's a very good analogy by BITBs.
the NCAA does not have subpoena power and cell phone companies can't and won't give out their users phone/text usage data without it. the only way the NCAA is going to get phone/text data is if a kid hands their phone over to the NCAA.  i know griner self-reported but i doubt it happens very often or is easy.

As a result of those interviews, the NCAA staff requested a variety of information from Baylor, including telephone records of the men's and women's basketball staffs. Subsequently, potential violations involving impermissible calls and texts were identified.

The school gave their phone information over to the NCAA, not the kids. Same thing with Sampson. It started at Baylor with the Griner stuff, but then the NCAA came to Baylor and they complied. It would seem that in most cases if the NCAA comes to a school and asks for the phone records the schools are going to give them up.

the NCAA wouldn't be asking if Griners hadn't "self-reported" and my contention is that kids rarely are going to self report.  by the time the NCAA came asking, hell ya baylor had to give it up- baylor already had the information they needed.  baylor can't decline to work with the ncaa, if they had it would have been lights out for the entire athletic dept.

[kso_FAN]

the NCAA wouldn't be asking if Griners hadn't "self-reported" and my contention is that kids rarely are going to self report.  by the time the NCAA came asking, hell ya baylor had to give it up- baylor already had the information they needed.  baylor can't decline to work with the ncaa, if they had it would have been lights out for the entire athletic dept.

Yes.

The point from BITB that I agreed with is that once the NCAA has the information, the text/phone call issue is something that they prosecute if/when they suspect recruiting issues from a school. They can't necessarily prove that money is changing hands, etc. in recruiting, but they can get the cell phone issue and the precident with Sampson is that once they have it they will hammer you. Especially if they suspect you are doing other impermisable things in recruiting that they can't prove.

[ednksu]

the NCAA wouldn't be asking if Griners hadn't "self-reported" and my contention is that kids rarely are going to self report.  by the time the NCAA came asking, hell ya baylor had to give it up- baylor already had the information they needed.  baylor can't decline to work with the ncaa, if they had it would have been lights out for the entire athletic dept.

Yes.

The point from BITB that I agreed with is that once the NCAA has the information, the text/phone call issue is something that they prosecute if/when they suspect recruiting issues from a school. They can't necessarily prove that money is changing hands, etc. in recruiting, but they can get the cell phone issue and the precident with Sampson is that once they have it they will hammer you. Especially if they suspect you are doing other impermisable things in recruiting that they can't prove.

but the logic doesn't follow through.  If the phone is the best pipeline for the NCAA to maintain control why are they giving that rule up?

[kso_FAN]

but the logic doesn't follow through.  If the phone is the best pipeline for the NCAA to maintain control why are they giving that rule up?

Good question, I would guess most schools are much better at getting around it, making it impossible to really reinforce. Especially when it comes to texting.

[Ira Hayes]

If they wanted to get rid of Scott Drew, they would have leaked found out about this right before their 2nd round game instead of waiting until after the season.

amirite?

[Ira Hayes]

Heard a rumor that somebody found Scott Drew's phone bill in a trash can, picked it up off the floor of a grocery store, and drove it up to Indianapolis.

[Rage Against the McKee]

These coaches just need to invest in disposable phones.

[LickNeckey]

hey NCAA coaches buy burner trac phones and do not wire money to players please and thanks

[MakeItRain]

hope Drew and Baylor get off scott free (<---get it?).

ncaa is so tough on  programs whose demise won't mean any less money for them.

USC athletics, Ohio State football and UConn basketball says eff you

[Sandstone Outcropping]

hey NCAA coaches by burner trac phones and do not wire money to players please and thanks

IIRC, Tressel had mastered this technique prior to his ouster.

[MakeItRain]

hey NCAA coaches by burner trac phones and do not wire money to players please and thanks

Should they also make no reference to who they are or the schools they represent in the text messages?  You guys realize they get caught by players snitching who they contact but don't sign at the school of the cheaters right?  Or in Baylor WBBs case the best player in the history of college basketball who is currently wearing your jersey.

[CNS]

Surely Drew and pretty much every other high major coach has some phone that is listed under someone else's name, right?  I mean, how hard could this be?  "Hey, mr so and so, I will pay your fam's cell plan if you add me on a phone and list this Gmail acct as your electronic contact info for billing."

Right? 

[catzacker]

hope Drew and Baylor get off scott free (<---get it?).

ncaa is so tough on  programs whose demise won't mean any less money for them.

USC athletics, Ohio State football and UConn basketball says eff you

All were/are let off easy.  Either give them the No TV penalty, or just spank them and let them be on their way (which is essentially what they did).

[Ira Hayes]

I don't think you bros have anything to worry about.  If the Kansas State Athletic Department has a command center set up with 46 inch monitors to patrol social media, I'm pretty sure they would already have all of the coaches' data traffic encrypted and routed through Tor.

[MakeItRain]

hope Drew and Baylor get off scott free (<---get it?).

ncaa is so tough on  programs whose demise won't mean any less money for them.

USC athletics, Ohio State football and UConn basketball says eff you

All were/are let off easy.  Either give them the No TV penalty, or just spank them and let them be on their way (which is essentially what they did).

A no TV penalty will never happen again.  It hurts the conference and the opponent as much as the school being penalized.  In no way shape or form is a post season ban a slap on the wrist.  You can't even play in the conference tourney when you have a post season ban.  It's hard to recruit high level talent when everyone points out that your season will end in February.

[wetwillie]

hope Drew and Baylor get off scott free (<---get it?).

ncaa is so tough on  programs whose demise won't mean any less money for them.

USC athletics, Ohio State football and UConn basketball says eff you

All were/are let off easy.  Either give them the No TV penalty, or just spank them and let them be on their way (which is essentially what they did).

A no TV penalty will never happen again.  It hurts the conference and the opponent as much as the school being penalized.  In no way shape or form is a post season ban a slap on the wrist.  You can't even play in the conference tourney when you have a post season ban.  It's hard to recruit high level talent when everyone points out that your season will end in February.

USC and Ohio state both have top ten recruiting classes

[MakeItRain]

hope Drew and Baylor get off scott free (<---get it?).

ncaa is so tough on  programs whose demise won't mean any less money for them.

USC athletics, Ohio State football and UConn basketball says eff you

All were/are let off easy.  Either give them the No TV penalty, or just spank them and let them be on their way (which is essentially what they did).

A no TV penalty will never happen again.  It hurts the conference and the opponent as much as the school being penalized.  In no way shape or form is a post season ban a slap on the wrist.  You can't even play in the conference tourney when you have a post season ban.  It's hard to recruit high level talent when everyone points out that your season will end in February.

USC and Ohio state both have top ten recruiting classes

In basketball?  A post season ban in football doesn't mean dick because well there isn't a real football post season and there aren't 50 college football players each year with dreams of being one and done.  College football players can redshirt their freshman year play their RS freshman and sophomore years, win the heisman, a national championship and go get paid to scramble their brains the next 10 years.

[Underdog Wildcat]

Miller returning for his SOPH yr.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7798786/quincy-miller-returning-baylor-bears-sophomore-season

[CNS]

Miller returning for his SOPH yr.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7798786/quincy-miller-returning-baylor-bears-sophomore-season

Drew puts Bill to shame at getting returns.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Miller returning for his SOPH yr.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7798786/quincy-miller-returning-baylor-bears-sophomore-season

Baylor advanced to the NCAA round of 16 for the second time in three seasons.

 

[Mikeyis4dcats]

NCAA accepts the self imposed sanctions and will not add any further penatly.

[MakeItRain]

 

[ChiComCat]

hope Drew and Baylor get off scott free (<---get it?).

ncaa is so tough on  programs whose demise won't mean any less money for them.

USC athletics, Ohio State football and UConn basketball says eff you

All were/are let off easy.  Either give them the No TV penalty, or just spank them and let them be on their way (which is essentially what they did).

A no TV penalty will never happen again.  It hurts the conference and the opponent as much as the school being penalized.  In no way shape or form is a post season ban a slap on the wrist.  You can't even play in the conference tourney when you have a post season ban.  It's hard to recruit high level talent when everyone points out that your season will end in February.

USC and Ohio state both have top ten recruiting classes

In basketball?  A post season ban in football doesn't mean dick because well there isn't a real football post season and there aren't 50 college football players each year with dreams of being one and done.  College football players can redshirt their freshman year play their RS freshman and sophomore years, win the heisman, a national championship and go get paid to scramble their brains the next 10 years.

Post season in football means a lot to a school.  USC may of lost out on a BCS this year (prob not, but maybe) and then you have a lot of $$.  Missing the postseason in football is a lot more financially damaging than basketball, so long as your fanbase doesn't suck and turn bowls into moneypits.

Or maybe you were just referring to the recruiting...