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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2012, 10:25:18 AM »
wabash909 nailed it. Some of you guys, I swear.
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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2012, 10:25:44 AM »
top 25 is a big deal.

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2012, 10:26:35 AM »
Yeah.  Wabash.  Yeah.

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2012, 10:46:30 AM »
Go Cats!  :ksu:

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2012, 11:06:25 AM »
even if in some years that means the NIT.


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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2012, 11:26:25 AM »
Frank is a very good coach, that may become a great coach at some point.  Is he a championship caliber coach? Quite possibly not.

I guess I try to keep things in perspective when comparing what this program has become under Frank, compared to the 20 years of ridiculously embarrassing basketball that buried us under Altman, Asbury, Wooldridge after Kruger abandoned the program and left us to die.  We shouldn’t forget it.

I like our hardnosed junkyard style.  I like winning games on the road in conference.  I like consistently finishing in the top half of the league.  I like beating KU on our home court on a semi-regular basis.  I like seeing 5,000 students sandstorming their asses off in the student section and sellouts for most every game.  I like being a consistent fixture in the Top 25 and relevant on the landscape of college basketball.  I like going to the post season every year, even if in some years that means the NIT.  

None of that was in place for the vast majority of the past two decades until Frank arrived.  Yeah, there's a lot that is frustrating, but most of that is because our expectations are back to where they should be a K-State.  We expect to win again, and all in all he’s done a pretty damn good job as our head coach, IMO.


Sounds like a microwaved version of the reasons for keepin OBz around to me. . .

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2012, 11:31:19 AM »
Sounds like a microwaved version of the reasons for keepin OBz around to me. . .

How? I don't see much of a correlation there at all.

I like our hardnosed junkyard style.  I like winning games on the road in conference.  I like consistently finishing in the top half of the league.  I like beating KU on our home court on a semi-regular basis.  I like seeing 5,000 students sandstorming their asses off in the student section and sellouts for most every game.  I like being a consistent fixture in the Top 25 and relevant on the landscape of college basketball.  I like going to the post season every year, even if in some years that means the NIT. 

I mean any football coach that did the football equivalent of all that should be highly regarded at K-State.


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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2012, 11:40:08 AM »
Frank is a very good coach, that may become a great coach at some point.  Is he a championship caliber coach? Quite possibly not.

I guess I try to keep things in perspective when comparing what this program has become under Frank, compared to the 20 years of ridiculously embarrassing basketball that buried us under Altman, Asbury, Wooldridge after Kruger abandoned the program and left us to die.  We shouldn’t forget it.

I like our hardnosed junkyard style.  I like winning games on the road in conference.  I like consistently finishing in the top half of the league.  I like beating KU on our home court on a semi-regular basis.  I like seeing 5,000 students sandstorming their asses off in the student section and sellouts for most every game.  I like being a consistent fixture in the Top 25 and relevant on the landscape of college basketball.  I like going to the post season every year, even if in some years that means the NIT.  

None of that was in place for the vast majority of the past two decades until Frank arrived.  Yeah, there's a lot that is frustrating, but most of that is because our expectations are back to where they should be a K-State.  We expect to win again, and all in all he’s done a pretty damn good job as our head coach, IMO.


Sounds like a microwaved version of the reasons for keepin OBz around to me. . .

No, the reason people wanted to get rid of Bill was that he was trying to start a rebuild that no one thought he had enough time on this earth to see through to the point of helping us net a better coach at the end.  So, if he was 60% complete come time to retire or die, we wouldn't be any better off than if we simply hired someone else at the time we hired snyder.  In fact we may have been worse off if the new coach tore things apart to begin a new rebuild after snyder spent several years getting to the 60% point.  However, with Bill doing what he did this year, it looks like the rebuild timeline may be expedited, which if is the case, eases many people's fear about where/when we will be left in looking for a new coach at the end of Bill/bill's coaching time. 

Will be really interesting if we regress next year.

Frank on the other hand has nothing but time given his age and where he is in his career.  It is reasonable to think that Frank will continue doing Frank things and progressively get better over a longer period of time.


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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2012, 01:29:11 PM »
Wabash is Billy Madison, you all are the auditorium full of high school students.  His feel good story did nothing to answer the original question.  If 'keeping things in perspective" means missing the tournament two years in a row means we are looking for your replacement and I missed the legend at the bottom in fine print then I will retract my statement. 
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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2012, 01:35:12 PM »
Wow, the haters in this thread are hilarious.  Wabash with some real ownership here. 

If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2012, 01:41:14 PM »
Wabash is Billy Madison, you all are the auditorium full of high school students.  His feel good story did nothing to answer the original question.  If 'keeping things in perspective" means missing the tournament two years in a row means we are looking for your replacement and I missed the legend at the bottom in fine print then I will retract my statement. 

Of course missing the tournament two years in a row would bring some heat. No one said anything different. But what people did say was that not making the tournament, but still making the NIT, would be acceptable. Still disappointing, but acceptable. Two straight NITs? Yes, more than worthy of seat warming.

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2012, 01:46:44 PM »
Our Kenpom average during Frank's tenure is 24.6.  That's pretty damn good. 
If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2012, 02:14:22 PM »
love being relevant.

Love Frank.

that is all

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2012, 02:23:34 PM »
Wabash is Billy Madison, you all are the auditorium full of high school students.  His feel good story did nothing to answer the original question.  If 'keeping things in perspective" means missing the tournament two years in a row means we are looking for your replacement and I missed the legend at the bottom in fine print then I will retract my statement.  


I’m not stupid enough to conveniently forget the 20 years before Frank took over at K-State.  

In fact, I remember that time quite well and it was real.  I personally lived the Asbury, Wooldridge era.  After Kruger abandoned the program we were the effing laughing stock of the conference.  During the Altman, Asbury, Wooldridge span we went to two NCAA appearances and lost both times in the first round.  Two times in twenty years.  Under Frank we’ve gone to the NCAA tournament 3 of the past 4 years and may go this year if we put our act together.  Under Altman, Asbury, Wooldridge we lost to KU twenty consecutive times on our home court by an average margin of 24+ points and the Bram was half full of blue and red.  Frank has beaten KU 2 of the last 4 years at home, once when they were the #1 team in the country.  

Frank has won more times on the road in conference over the past 5 years as head coach than the prior three coaches combined in a two decade span.

The guy has never not finished in the top 4 of the league, has won more games than effing Jack Hartman in the same span.

So, get real.

Keep the expectations high, but don’t discount what you are drawing the comparison to.  Frank isn’t perfect, he has plenty of faults, but it is absolutely asinine to assert that he can’t coach and the reality is he has done a tremendous job at K-State.  




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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2012, 03:10:10 PM »
The NIT is not "the postseason." As far as I'm concerned, the NIT does not exist. There is only one postseason tourney (not counting the conference tourneys, you cheeky bastards).

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2012, 10:31:18 PM »
The NIT is not "the postseason." As far as I'm concerned, the NIT does not exist. There is only one postseason tourney (not counting the conference tourneys, you cheeky bastards).


I'm now willing to consider NIT as "postseason".  Go State!    :bs:

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Re: How many years should Frank be allowed to not meet expectations?
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2012, 10:32:38 PM »
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