Question for HBBIQ'ers (LBBIQ'ers please do not read, definitely do not respond)

[pissclams]

i 100% agree with you, Super G.  it took me a while to accept frank's-O and i do.   

[Belvis Noland]

I believe this to be true... And I'm not even sure it's a problem in Franks eyes. I also think it was less ugly last year than it has been in previous seasons. Still, there is an offense there.

Frank's "offense" = JYC + fast break + offensive rebounding + put backs. 

It's ugly.  But, like Clams, I'm fine with it.  It took us to an Elite 8 in '09-'10.

But, you've got to have the right personnel for it.  guys like Clemente, Colon, and Sutton.  We didn't have the right personnel in '10-'11

Will we have JYC personnel in '11-'12???

I don't know.  If not, we're gonna need a good half-court offense.   

[michigancat]

jesus, christ. what a brutal thread.

[J]

jesus, christ. what a brutal thread.

Edited the title for clarity. Hopefully that will clean some things up.

[MakeItRain]

I believe this to be true... And I'm not even sure it's a problem in Franks eyes. I also think it was less ugly last year than it has been in previous seasons. Still, there is an offense there.

Frank's "offense" = JYC + fast break + offensive rebounding + put backs. 

It's ugly.  But, like Clams, I'm fine with it.  It took us to an Elite 8 in '09-'10.

But, you've got to have the right personnel for it.  guys like Clemente, Colon, and Sutton.  We didn't have the right personnel in '10-'11

Will we have JYC personnel in '11-'12???

I don't know.  If not, we're gonna need a good half-court offense.   

Your problem is that you are confusing high school basketball with college basketball.

[Belvis Noland]

Your problem is that you are confusing high school basketball with college basketball.

http://beyondthearc.nbcsports.com/2010/11/24/can-kansas-state-be-a-transition-team/

 

[chum1]

can someone explain the dorito offense to me?

[MakeItRain]

Your problem is that you are confusing high school basketball with college basketball.

http://beyondthearc.nbcsports.com/2010/11/24/can-kansas-state-be-a-transition-team/

 

I'm assuming you're referring to the Pullen quote and not the actual article.  I don't know who in the eff Rob Dauster is and I'm not going to change my opinion on this because some rando blogger may not have the same view.  If you don't understand what Pullen was saying with his quote and don't think that 95% of all college basketball teams think the same way then we have nothing to talk about.

[Belvis Noland]

I'm assuming you're referring to the Pullen quote and not the actual article.  I don't know who in the eff Rob Dauster is and I'm not going to change my opinion on this because some rando blogger may not have the same view.  If you don't understand what Pullen was saying with his quote and don't think that 95% of all college basketball teams think the same way then we have nothing to talk about.

Nope.  I was referring to the actual article as well.  Basic premise -- if you can't rely on JYC transition offense, you'd better have a good half-court offense.  [disclaimer - I'd love to see the JYC transition offense return this year]

And, you can't rely on a JYC transition offense unless you've got the right personnel.  Pretty simple really.  In '09-'10 we had the right players for the style.  In '10-'11 we didn't.  Again, pretty simple concept for non-retards.     

"I don’t know if Kansas State is that good in transition. For starters, they don’t have a point guard. Will Spradling may end up being that guy, but he’s not all that quick and, as every freshman point guard in the country does, he makes too many mistakes with the ball. I love Jacob Pullen, but does he strike you as the kind of player that can lead a fast break? Is he going to be making 60 foot touch passes to Rodney McGruder streaking down the wing in stride? Does he have the court vision to see Curtis Kelly running to the rim and the passing ability to get the ball to him in the split second that he comes open?"

Pretty spot on. 

"Their half court offense was pretty ugly last night. The Wildcats committed 21 turnovers last night. They shot 3-17 from beyond the arc. Players were getting ripped in the open floor. Pullen was losing the ball out of bounds. Passes were going through Kelly’s hands, and Kelly’s passes were going straight into the hands of a Duke defender.  Outside of Pullen, can anyone on this Kansas State team create their own shot? Kelly can, at times, in the post. He was 8-11 for 19 points last night. He also had six turnovers. He’s not exactly what you would call reliable."

Again, pretty spot on.  Until Underwood convinced Frank to abandon the '09-'10 concept and adopt an actual half court offense, our team struggled. 

 

[steve dave]

man oh man, the Frank's Offense thread came early this year!

[mcmwcat]

might as well pin this so knuckleheads don't start a new thread after every game.

[mcmwcat]

consider how bad this thread could have become w/ half the football tards over here contributing.

[J]

Any early verdicts?

[CNS]

Any early verdicts?

Gonna be pretty good this year, imo

[Belvis Noland]

Offense and transition game looked as good or better than it ever has - at this stage of the season - during the Martin era. 
I know that isn't saying much, and the opponent blew, but it's still a positive sign. 

Moved the ball really well around the perimeter and the bigs were active inside.

And Frank's "wtf r u doing" substitutions were fairly limited. 

Hope this is a sign of good things to come.