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OU never did stop it.  All of the rushing yards came from between the tackles whether it was Klein or Hubert.  In the 2nd half we decided we needed more diversity and started rolling out wide for passes or going east/west on runs.  That was one game where we should've just kept running it until they proved they could stop it or overcompensated somewhere else to fix it leaving them vulnerable elsewhere.  In a game like that one we just are what we are and we needed more N/S running between the tackles.

The other thing...and this sounds insane but I would have gone with some man coverage.  Sure, they would have beat it but given the windy conditions it seems like it may have been something to try.  We seemed content with letting them throw underneath and forcing longer drives in hopes we could disrupt their timing enough to eventually kill a drive or two.  It's difficult to consistently hit medium to long passing plays on a windy day...seems more difficult then to let their receivers catch anything they want underneath and let their athleticism move the ball play after play.

That 3rd & 3 check to a fade route at the end of the first half and subsequent missed fg was a killer. 

It's only one loss.  Take the highs with the lows.  It's never as good or as bad as it seems.  Ask Texas Tech (WinTF?)


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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2011, 01:29:20 PM »
If there was one game where we needed a big studly running back it was last Sat.   Somebody that's a load between the tackles.


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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 01:32:38 PM »
Oklahoma State's weakness is D tackles and middle linebacker.  I doubt if you abandon the power run against us.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 01:34:23 PM »
If there was one game where we needed a big studly running back it was last Sat.   Somebody that's a load between the tackles.



true.  Even then they were not stopping what we had but an even bigger body would have worn on them had we kept pounding.  Snyder tried to get a little to clever.  We abandoned it a few series into the 2nd half and were down 20pts because of it.  

Daniel Thomas would have had a hayday.  Unfortunately we don't have someone like him and OU was more than happy to let us try and beat them with Klein and Hubert up the middle.  It was working out okay for the good guys until we decided to stop using it.
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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 01:40:07 PM »
I don't think the man coverage would have worked much better. That said, I still would have tried it. I would rather get punched in the face than watch OU torch our defense every single possession while we make absolutely no changes and somehow expect that the next possession might just work out better.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 01:42:34 PM »
Turner Bill showed his true colors on Saturday.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 01:45:17 PM »
OU never did stop it.  All of the rushing yards came from between the tackles whether it was Klein or Hubert.  In the 2nd half we decided we needed more diversity and started rolling out wide for passes or going east/west on runs.  That was one game where we should've just kept running it until they proved they could stop it or overcompensated somewhere else to fix it leaving them vulnerable elsewhere.  In a game like that one we just are what we are and we needed more N/S running between the tackles.

The other thing...and this sounds insane but I would have gone with some man coverage.  Sure, they would have beat it but given the windy conditions it seems like it may have been something to try.  We seemed content with letting them throw underneath and forcing longer drives in hopes we could disrupt their timing enough to eventually kill a drive or two.  It's difficult to consistently hit medium to long passing plays on a windy day...seems more difficult then to let their receivers catch anything they want underneath and let their athleticism move the ball play after play.

That 3rd & 3 check to a fade route at the end of the first half and subsequent missed fg was a killer.  

It's only one loss.  Take the highs with the lows.  It's never as good or as bad as it seems.  Ask Texas Tech (WinTF?)

I thought the same thing. OU's toughest match-up was their DEs and we managed them fine in the first half because we ran at them or ran between the tackles. We seemingly abandoned that early in the 2nd half. I haven't had time yet, but I plan to do a thorough breakdown of our playcalling from the game and compare what we had success with in the first half and what we struggled with in the 2nd half.
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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 01:46:17 PM »
OU never did stop it.  All of the rushing yards came from between the tackles whether it was Klein or Hubert.  In the 2nd half we decided we needed more diversity and started rolling out wide for passes or going east/west on runs.  That was one game where we should've just kept running it until they proved they could stop it or overcompensated somewhere else to fix it leaving them vulnerable elsewhere.  In a game like that one we just are what we are and we needed more N/S running between the tackles.

The other thing...and this sounds insane but I would have gone with some man coverage.  Sure, they would have beat it but given the windy conditions it seems like it may have been something to try.  We seemed content with letting them throw underneath and forcing longer drives in hopes we could disrupt their timing enough to eventually kill a drive or two.  It's difficult to consistently hit medium to long passing plays on a windy day...seems more difficult then to let their receivers catch anything they want underneath and let their athleticism move the ball play after play.

That 3rd & 3 check to a fade route at the end of the first half and subsequent missed fg was a killer.
 

It's only one loss.  Take the highs with the lows.  It's never as good or as bad as it seems.  Ask Texas Tech (WinTF?)

This is what lost us the game... IMO.  All momentum we had was lost and never regained after that.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 01:46:48 PM »
Which is worse, the soft zone coverage with absolutely no pressure on Landry or trying to play man on OU's receivers??

Trick question.  They suck equally.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 01:48:32 PM »
Which is worse, the soft zone coverage with absolutely no pressure on Landry or trying to play man on OU's receivers??

Trick question.  They suck equally.

If we were gonna get smashed I would have preferred at least making them throw bombs into man coverage all day long, especially with the wind  :dunno:

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 01:51:03 PM »
Snyder is just plain awful in big games.  This loss was nearly identical to the one last year against Nebraska. Huge buildup, undefeated, at home...and we get destroyed. No excuse.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 01:58:27 PM »
OU never did stop it.  All of the rushing yards came from between the tackles whether it was Klein or Hubert.  In the 2nd half we decided we needed more diversity and started rolling out wide for passes or going east/west on runs.  That was one game where we should've just kept running it until they proved they could stop it or overcompensated somewhere else to fix it leaving them vulnerable elsewhere.  In a game like that one we just are what we are and we needed more N/S running between the tackles.

The other thing...and this sounds insane but I would have gone with some man coverage.  Sure, they would have beat it but given the windy conditions it seems like it may have been something to try.  We seemed content with letting them throw underneath and forcing longer drives in hopes we could disrupt their timing enough to eventually kill a drive or two.  It's difficult to consistently hit medium to long passing plays on a windy day...seems more difficult then to let their receivers catch anything they want underneath and let their athleticism move the ball play after play.

That 3rd & 3 check to a fade route at the end of the first half and subsequent missed fg was a killer.
 

It's only one loss.  Take the highs with the lows.  It's never as good or as bad as it seems.  Ask Texas Tech (WinTF?)

This is what lost us the game... IMO.  All momentum we had was lost and never regained after that.

Was this check down Klein's call?  He seemed to get ripped on the side lines after the play...

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 02:05:38 PM »
honestly, a td pass to harper to take the lead would have been awesome. i don't blame klein.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 02:08:35 PM »
honestly, a td pass to harper to take the lead would have been awesome. i don't blame klein.

Except he threw Harper into the 1st row

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2011, 02:08:42 PM »
Everything was way over-thought. OBz sounded a lot like Turner in the interview on the way to the locker room if I recall.  I would take the ball if they win the flip on saturday and make OSU's offense wait some more. 

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2011, 02:30:18 PM »
Snyder didn't go away from the power running game until it was 37-17 and he was forced to.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 02:33:53 PM »
OU never did stop it.  All of the rushing yards came from between the tackles whether it was Klein or Hubert.  In the 2nd half we decided we needed more diversity and started rolling out wide for passes or going east/west on runs.  That was one game where we should've just kept running it until they proved they could stop it or overcompensated somewhere else to fix it leaving them vulnerable elsewhere.  In a game like that one we just are what we are and we needed more N/S running between the tackles.

The other thing...and this sounds insane but I would have gone with some man coverage.  Sure, they would have beat it but given the windy conditions it seems like it may have been something to try.  We seemed content with letting them throw underneath and forcing longer drives in hopes we could disrupt their timing enough to eventually kill a drive or two.  It's difficult to consistently hit medium to long passing plays on a windy day...seems more difficult then to let their receivers catch anything they want underneath and let their athleticism move the ball play after play.

That 3rd & 3 check to a fade route at the end of the first half and subsequent missed fg was a killer. 

It's only one loss.  Take the highs with the lows.  It's never as good or as bad as it seems.  Ask Texas Tech (WinTF?)

OU did eventually stop it. We just got blitzed in that second half. Some of those catches those f*ckers made.....

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2011, 02:42:21 PM »
Snyder is just plain awful in big games.  This loss was nearly identical to the one last year against Nebraska. Huge buildup, undefeated, at home...and we get destroyed. No excuse.

excuse = we're not as good as OU.  pretty reasonable if you imo.


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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2011, 02:46:02 PM »
Snyder is just plain awful in big games.  This loss was nearly identical to the one last year against Nebraska. Huge buildup, undefeated, at home...and we get destroyed. No excuse.

excuse = we're not as good as OU.  pretty reasonable if you imo.

No excuse for not being as good.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2011, 02:51:28 PM »
Turner Bill showed his true colors on Saturday.

How long have you been waiting to bust that one out  :excited:

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2011, 03:11:04 PM »
Turner Bill showed his true colors on Saturday.
Landry Jones and that monstrous receiving corps showed its true colors on Saturday.  OU, offensively anyway, is a national championship caliber collegiate team.  Plus, I think they were mildly annoyed that we inflicted a season-ending injury on their best running back.

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2011, 03:22:23 PM »
690 yards allowed ... at home

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Re: I don't understand why Snyder went away from the power running game...
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2011, 08:42:18 PM »
Which is worse, the soft zone coverage with absolutely no pressure on Landry or trying to play man on OU's receivers??

Trick question.  They suck equally.

If we were gonna get smashed I would have preferred at least making them throw bombs into man coverage all day long, especially with the wind  :dunno:

I would have tried covering the NCAA career receptions leader with a LB 5 yds to his inside and a S 10 yds off the line.  Oh wait, we did try that, a lot.  :flush: