Author Topic: Starting Defense Next Season? (Read 6197 times)

PoetWarrior · « **on:** January 22, 2011, 10:18:35 AM »

DE - Harold
DT -
DT -
DE -
LB -
LB - Brown
LB -
CB - Thomas*
CB -
S -
S -

*Please?!

michigancat · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:20:04 AM »

J · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:34:30 AM »

DE-Williams
DT-Phillips*
DT-Phillips*
DE-Davis
LB-Brown
LB-Brown
LB-Brown
CB-Thomas
CB-Thomas
S-Zimmerman<--------Please not Hartman
S-Zimmerman<--------Please not Lamur

*Not even coming here, but will be first on the depth chart anyway.

Will be some of this next season:

MobDeep · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2011, 08:39:40 PM »

Quote from: PoetWarrior on January 22, 2011, 10:18:35 AM

DE - Williams
DT - Lutui
DT - McReynolds
DE - Davis
LB - Lamur
LB - Brown
LB - Garrett
CB - Chapman
CB - Malone
S - Hartman
S - Zimmerman

jtksu · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2011, 08:56:46 PM »

Aren't Garrett and Lamur gone now? Also, Burns will start opposite Zimmerman @ safety.

MobDeep · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2011, 09:09:23 PM »

No, Lamur and Garrett are only juniors. We will see about Tanner. He lead SJSU in tackles, but he isn't at that impressive from what i have seen. Hopefully he plays well enough to start. That could be a potential potent defense with some of those names

EMAWmeister · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2011, 09:37:54 PM »

Tre Walker?

jtksu · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2011, 09:41:16 PM »

Kinda weird how Lamur and Garrett both only played one season at their jucos. Also, Garrett will be 24 this year.

theymightbegiants · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:58:33 PM »

Every time I read about our "defense" I die a little. Which guy do you think gets big 12 honorable mention and which one gets newcomer of the year?

steve dave · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:12:27 AM »

Quote from: jtksu on January 22, 2011, 09:41:16 PM

Kinda weird how Lamur and Garrett both only played one season at their jucos. Also, Garrett will be 24 this year.

Garrett graduated and is starting his masters degree. I think he had some sort of extended clock ruling (no idea if med red or something else)

jtksu · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:52:16 AM »

Dude graduated high school in 07, so it looks like he redshirted one year @ Ft. Scott. Maybe the SID bio is just a typo?

Panjandrum · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:34:33 PM »

Quote from: MobDeep on January 22, 2011, 09:09:23 PM

No, Lamur and Garrett are only juniors. We will see about Tanner. He lead SJSU in tackles, but he isn't at that impressive from what i have seen. Hopefully he plays well enough to start. That could be a potential potent defense with some of those names

The best we can absolute hope for is not horrible.

The word 'potent' shouldn't be used with this defense whatsoever due to both coaching and talent deficiencies.

MobDeep · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:01:42 PM »

Quote from: Panjandrum on January 24, 2011, 12:34:33 PM

Quote from: MobDeep on January 22, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
No, Lamur and Garrett are only juniors. We will see about Tanner. He lead SJSU in tackles, but he isn't at that impressive from what i have seen. Hopefully he plays well enough to start. That could be a potential potent defense with some of those names

The best we can absolute hope for is not horrible.

The word 'potent' shouldn't be used with this defense whatsoever due to both coaching and talent deficiencies.

I disagree. Our secoundary was solid last year. We lacked talent in the front 7. Our LBs were decent, but you cannot have a good linebacking corps without a decent DL. I don't think cosh is a good DC and I don't agree with his gameplan, but if we pulled in a guy like mcreynolds on the interior to occupy a couple blockers, and the speed of davis and williams on the outside, our LBs have room to run free and make tackles. Throw in a playmaker at LB like Arthur and we could be a good defense.
The only other question is CB.

jtksu · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:15:49 PM »

Thomas(?) and Chapman or Malone could be decent at CB next year. And I think our LBs could be pretty solid as well with Walker, Childs, Brown, Sluaghter, etc. We really need 2 massive, hole clogging DTs or we're not going to be anything more than a mediocre defense though.

jtksu · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:18:08 PM »

And no, I don't think we're going to be a really good defense regardless, but I would be very happy with one ranked in the 50s or so, especially considering all the potent offenses we will face in the conference.

kstatefreak42 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:19:44 PM »

Can arthur read defenses yet.

Gooch · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:37:11 PM »

Quote from: kstatefreak42 on January 24, 2011, 02:19:44 PM

Can arthur read defenses yet.

Why? Is he going to do the scout for the offense? Or is he going to play qb?

kstatefreak42 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:48:23 PM »

Jesus, I meant "can arthur read offenses" I thought I read somewhere that sean spence said he had a hard time with that.

W.Churchill · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:03:32 PM »

Quote from: MobDeep on January 24, 2011, 02:01:42 PM

Quote from: Panjandrum on January 24, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
Quote from: MobDeep on January 22, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
No, Lamur and Garrett are only juniors. We will see about Tanner. He lead SJSU in tackles, but he isn't at that impressive from what i have seen. Hopefully he plays well enough to start. That could be a potential potent defense with some of those names

The best we can absolute hope for is not horrible.

The word 'potent' shouldn't be used with this defense whatsoever due to both coaching and talent deficiencies.

I disagree. Our secoundary was solid last year. We lacked talent in the front 7. Our LBs were decent, but you cannot have a good linebacking corps without a decent DL. I don't think cosh is a good DC and I don't agree with his gameplan, but if we pulled in a guy like mcreynolds on the interior to occupy a couple blockers, and the speed of davis and williams on the outside, our LBs have room to run free and make tackles. Throw in a playmaker at LB like Arthur and we could be a good defense.
The only other question is CB.

No way a true freshman DT will regularly "occupy" even ONE blocker.

jtksu · « **Reply #19 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:01:57 PM »

Tons of freshmen DTs can occupy blockers, especially ones as highly touted as him. Just because we haven't had many do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen around the country. And saying a frosh can't occupy even one blocker is about as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as it gets. You really think that no freshman, ever, was able to handle one single blocker? I feel like this site may be more your speed: www.amiretardedorjustreallystupid.com. good luck!

W.Churchill · « **Reply #20 on:** January 25, 2011, 10:59:16 AM »

Quote from: jtksu on January 24, 2011, 08:01:57 PM

Tons of freshmen DTs can occupy blockers, especially ones as highly touted as him. Just because we haven't had many do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen around the country. And saying a frosh can't occupy even one blocker is about as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as it gets. You really think that no freshman, ever, was able to handle one single blocker? I feel like this site may be more your speed: www.amiretardedorjustreallystupid.com. good luck!

Speaking of "retardedness", with your lack of reading comprehension, you left out the "regularly" occupy a blocker. No doubt a freshman can occupy a blocker on occasion, but to rely on one to play full time without getting "regularly gashed" is the height of unreality.
As for there being "tons" of such players, I invite you to go to Rivals defense rankings. Take the top fifty defenses, then check out the depth charts.....I defy you to find a single true freshman starter in this group. If there truly are "tons" of them it shouldn't take too long.

Katpappy · « **Reply #21 on:** January 25, 2011, 09:06:47 PM »

Quote from: W.Churchill on January 25, 2011, 10:59:16 AM

Quote from: jtksu on January 24, 2011, 08:01:57 PM
Tons of freshmen DTs can occupy blockers, especially ones as highly touted as him. Just because we haven't had many do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen around the country. And saying a frosh can't occupy even one blocker is about as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as it gets. You really think that no freshman, ever, was able to handle one single blocker? I feel like this site may be more your speed: www.amiretardedorjustreallystupid.com. good luck!
Speaking of "retardedness", with your lack of reading comprehension, you left out the "regularly" occupy a blocker. No doubt a freshman can occupy a blocker on occasion, but to rely on one to play full time without getting "regularly gashed" is the height of unreality.
As for there being "tons" of such players, I invite you to go to Rivals defense rankings. Take the top fifty defenses, then check out the depth charts.....I defy you to find a single true freshman starter in this group. If there truly are "tons" of them it shouldn't take too long.

JT, give up; this Churchill guy is just too smart!

unleashthemob · « **Reply #22 on:** January 27, 2011, 03:54:16 PM »

Hate to bust everyone's bubble, but im sure little Tate Snyder is probably going to catch the eye of grand pappy and will get a starting nod over others. Im sure by grand pappy's standards that he is the next best thing to a werther original

jtksu · « **Reply #23 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:37:33 PM »

I'm not going to check the entire top 50 but I did check Rival's freshmen all american team: The first team DTs were from Kent St. (#13 in total defense) and Illinois (#37). The 2nd teamers were from Arizona (#36) and Wake (#102). The 4 DEs were from ASU (#58) A&M (#50) Mizzou (#41) and Va Tech (#39). Wake is the only team that wasn't ranked at least 50 spots ahead of KState. Also, of those 8 DLs, there was one 4*, three 3*s, and four 2*s.

So basically, acting like McReynolds has zero chance of being a very solid DT for us as a freshman is, well, absolutely rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

MobDeep · « **Reply #24 on:** January 27, 2011, 08:20:13 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on January 27, 2011, 06:37:33 PM

I'm not going to check the entire top 50 but I did check Rival's freshmen all american team: The first team DTs were from Kent St. (#13 in total defense) and Illinois (#37). The 2nd teamers were from Arizona (#36) and Wake (#102). The 4 DEs were from ASU (#58) A&M (#50) Mizzou (#41) and Va Tech (#39). Wake is the only team that wasn't ranked at least 50 spots ahead of KState. Also, of those 8 DLs, there was one 4*, three 3*s, and four 2*s.

So basically, acting like McReynolds has zero chance of being a very solid DT for us as a freshman is, well, absolutely effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).