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kso_FAN · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2011, 02:25:47 PM »

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:22:02 PM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 02:18:44 PM
Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:15:44 PM
And you know what, I say forget that KenPom guy, I'm thinking we have a 33% of winning tomorrow, that's right,
1 in 3.

1 in 4? Pfft, 1 in 3.

Yep, keep hope alive.

Who says it can't be done?

mcmwcat · « **Reply #26 on:** January 21, 2011, 02:40:41 PM »

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:10:09 PM

Gauging talent is obviously a very subjective endeavor, but looking at RSCI rankings possibly the most objective tool available to us(the general public) dedicated to measuring the talent upon entering a program, we're actually lagging behind A&M. A&M has 4 RSCI Top 100 players on their roster, KSU 2:

i thought this was fairly obvious.

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:10:09 PM

Am I saying that a higher recruiting ranking automatically makes 1 player more "talented" than another?

i'll say it. yes.

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:10:09 PM

there is a common overestimation about the talent level of our present team.

you don't say

Underdog Wildcat · « **Reply #27 on:** January 21, 2011, 02:54:46 PM »

Quote from: mcmwcat on January 21, 2011, 02:40:41 PM

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:10:09 PM
Am I saying that a higher recruiting ranking automatically makes 1 player more "talented" than another?
i'll say it. yes.
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Not ABSOLUTELY, especially among guards. Along with the aforementioned Pullen, Battle, Jackson, and Brooks,
Jimmer Fredette, Jordan Taylor, Chris Warren, Andrew Goudelock, Shelvin Mack, Randy Culpepper are all 3 *'s and all good enough to play anywhere in country. Players do slip through the cracks.

Bigs? Pfft, pretty much as a rule, the highest rated out of HS are the best in college.

J · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:23:49 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 02:25:47 PM

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 02:18:44 PM
Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:15:44 PM
And you know what, I say forget that KenPom guy, I'm thinking we have a 33% of winning tomorrow, that's right,
1 in 3.

1 in 4? Pfft, 1 in 3.

Yep, keep hope alive.

Who says it can't be done?

They.

Jmo · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:27:20 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 02:25:47 PM

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 02:18:44 PM
Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:15:44 PM
And you know what, I say forget that KenPom guy, I'm thinking we have a 33% of winning tomorrow, that's right,
1 in 3.

1 in 4? Pfft, 1 in 3.

Yep, keep hope alive.

Who says it can't be done?

My heart says it can, but my head is telling my heart it's a dumbass.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:42:18 PM »

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:10:09 PM

Quote from: mcmwcat on January 21, 2011, 08:29:01 AM
listening to Gottlieb and Petro a couple weeks ago they said KSU had more talent.

i didn't believe them then.

and now? well

Gauging talent is obviously a very subjective endeavor, but looking at RSCI rankings possibly the most objective tool available to us(the general public) dedicated to measuring the talent upon entering a program, we're actually lagging behind A&M. A&M has 4 RSCI Top 100 players on their roster, KSU 2:

Keith Davis 90th in '10
Middleton 99th in 09
Loubeau 82nd in 08
Harris 91st in 08

KSU
Judge 15th in 09
Kelly 30th in 06

Am I saying that a higher recruiting ranking automatically makes 1 player more "talented" than another? No, check out Rivals rankings of the top players by position this year, there are several 3* recruits included such as Jacob Pullen, Talor Battle, Reggie Jackson, Marshon Brooks, John Shurna, etc.

What I'm saying is that the rankings are generally right, and the more highly ranked players you can land, the better your odds of having a more talented team.

Now does having a more talented team guarantee having a better team, absolutely not. What I think we're looking at here is due to the tremednous success and probable overachievement we had last year and returning almost the entire roster, there is a common overestimation about the talent level of our present team.

The above has been more or less true for every KSU - A&M match up since Martin has been here. Even when we had Beas and Walker A&M had DeAndre Jordan and Josh Carter and probably another 150 or two. Martin has had a nice run over them and I really hope it comes together for this team tomorrow. I do think this is a good match up based on the coaching styles. A&M wants to play a conventional brand of ball that is easier for us to match up with on D and attack on O.

mcmwcat · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:48:34 PM »

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:54:46 PM

Not ABSOLUTELY, especially among guards. Along with the aforementioned Pullen, Battle, Jackson, and Brooks,
Jimmer Fredette, Jordan Taylor, Chris Warren, Andrew Goudelock, Shelvin Mack, Randy Culpepper are all 3 *'s and all good enough to play anywhere in country. Players do slip through the cracks.

Bigs? Pfft, pretty much as a rule, the highest rated out of HS are the best in college.

good distinction. hadn't thought of that. most of the high rated bigs are gone after 1 or 2 years in college

sys · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2011, 03:58:41 PM »

Quote from: mcmwcat on January 21, 2011, 03:48:34 PM

Quote from: Underdog Wildcat on January 21, 2011, 02:54:46 PM
Not ABSOLUTELY, especially among guards. Along with the aforementioned Pullen, Battle, Jackson, and Brooks,
Jimmer Fredette, Jordan Taylor, Chris Warren, Andrew Goudelock, Shelvin Mack, Randy Culpepper are all 3 *'s and all good enough to play anywhere in country. Players do slip through the cracks.

Bigs? Pfft, pretty much as a rule, the highest rated out of HS are the best in college.

good distinction. hadn't thought of that. most of the high rated bigs are gone after 1 or 2 years in college

bigs are easier to scout than guards, no question. plus there are many, many more guards than bigs (bell curvey stuff).

i'd also add that, imo, the most consistently overrated type of players (in terms of college production) are tall, thinnish wings and/or hybrid forwards.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2011, 04:03:19 PM »

a and m does seem like a good match up for our ksucats. go cats.

WillieWatanabe · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2011, 04:03:32 PM »

Quote from: sys on January 21, 2011, 03:58:41 PM

i'd also add that, imo, the most consistently overrated type of players (in terms of college production) are tall, thinnish wings and/or hybrid forwards.

Shane

PoetWarrior · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2011, 04:04:08 PM »

A&M belongs in either the gutter or the trash. I can't decide which one.

We have a team full of royal Prince's.

kougar24 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2011, 04:23:57 PM »

kougpom gives us a 43% chance of winning at C.S.

kougpom adjusts for the Turgeon-is-Tarded factor.

Cire · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2011, 05:45:03 PM »

always seemed like our style matched up well with A&M, when we've beaten them seems like we've crashed the boards hard and turned them over a ton.

pike · « **Reply #38 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:44:03 PM »

We're gonna get slaughtered tomorrow.

Cire · « **Reply #39 on:** January 21, 2011, 11:01:52 PM »

I will be devastated if we lose to them. I hate turg more than any other big 12 coach.

pike · « **Reply #40 on:** January 21, 2011, 11:22:47 PM »

Quote from: Cire on January 21, 2011, 11:01:52 PM

I will be devastated if we lose to them. I hate turg more than any other big 12 coach.

Well, I'd prepare for devastation

Cire · « **Reply #41 on:** January 21, 2011, 11:27:23 PM »

they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over rated.

pike · « **Reply #42 on:** January 21, 2011, 11:30:30 PM »

Quote from: Cire on January 21, 2011, 11:27:23 PM

they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over rated.

Perhaps, but we were the ones ranked #3

MakeItRain · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2011, 01:51:39 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 09:23:26 AM

aTm is a very solid team; wins over Temple, Washington, and Missouri show that. Plus they destroyed the same OSU team that beat us. They play at a slower pace than any team in the league (64.7 possessions per game) and are a great rebounding team. They are successfully playing more JYC than we are being in the top 15 in both OR% and FT Rate. Khris Middleton has developed into one of the best players in the league. They have a couple small, quick guards (Holmes and Harris) that could give us trouble with penetration and some nice bigs (Loubeau and Walkup) that will give us some challenges inside. They aren't an overly deep team, but their first 6 or 7 is really solid and Turgeon has them playing really well. It will be a huge challenge to go down there and win.

Damn Lou Holtz, they aren't '91 UNLV. FWIW I hate their bigs, nice little system players, that's all. Turgeon is incredibally formulaic, will stay competitive and respectable, never threaten a great season; fantastic for a fanbase like A&M who barely care, but don't want to be embarrassed again.

swish1 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2011, 01:53:53 AM »

Quote from: Cire on January 21, 2011, 11:01:52 PM

I will be devastated if we lose to them. I hate turg more than any other big 12 coach.

turgeon seems like a fair basketball version of snyder. the coach 'em up and all. the difference is his teams struggle for extended periods offensively while snyder, at least v2.0, struggles defensively... however, he is probably a better recruiter than snyder which is sad.

AppleJack · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2011, 02:03:31 AM »

K-State 78 Aggies 74

And I always think we lose.

Andy · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2011, 12:34:01 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 22, 2011, 01:51:39 AM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on January 21, 2011, 09:23:26 AM
aTm is a very solid team; wins over Temple, Washington, and Missouri show that. Plus they destroyed the same OSU team that beat us. They play at a slower pace than any team in the league (64.7 possessions per game) and are a great rebounding team. They are successfully playing more JYC than we are being in the top 15 in both OR% and FT Rate. Khris Middleton has developed into one of the best players in the league. They have a couple small, quick guards (Holmes and Harris) that could give us trouble with penetration and some nice bigs (Loubeau and Walkup) that will give us some challenges inside. They aren't an overly deep team, but their first 6 or 7 is really solid and Turgeon has them playing really well. It will be a huge challenge to go down there and win.

Damn Lou Holtz, they aren't '91 UNLV. FWIW I hate their bigs, nice little system players, that's all. Turgeon is incredibally formulaic, will stay competitive and respectable, never threaten a great season; fantastic for a fanbase like A&M who barely care, but don't want to be embarrassed again.

hope he ends up at kansas someday