Wichita State

[catzacker]

I am so glad a garbage team like WSU is out of the tournament.  This should make everyone feel a whole lot better.

[ksupamplemousse]

WSU is like cuntville USA. Glad to see Angel put them in their place.

[TownieCat]

Wow. Rick must be the kiss of death to basketball programs.

[rollingplains]

WSU is like cuntville USA. Glad to see Angel put them in their place.

Now you know the real reason Angel left that dumpster fire in Manhattan ...

[MakeItRain]

I guess they didn't play angry enough

Mrs. MIR walking by glancing at the screen as Miami celebrates.

[sys]

I guess they didn't play angry enough

Mrs. MIR walking by glancing at the screen as Miami celebrates.

you know, i've often thought that the problem with basing your team on playing hard is that you playing hard causes your opponent to play harder.  and in important games, the non-hard playing teams play harder.

not that you shouldn't play hard, but it has limitations.

[kim carnes]

I am so glad a garbage team like WSU is out of the tournament.  This should make everyone feel a whole lot better.

Didn't u like Frank?   Wsu plays identical to wvu, usc, sfa.  They play really hard and are God rough ridin' awful at shooting, layups, and offense in general.

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I guess they didn't play angry enough

Mrs. MIR walking by glancing at the screen as Miami celebrates.

[steve dave]

I have never watched WSU (and won't outside of situations like this) but they didn't look like they play harder than average in today's game. maybe a little below average hardness if anything.

[MakeItRain]

I have never watched WSU (and won't outside of situations like this) but they didn't look like they play harder than average in today's game. maybe a little below average hardness if anything.

they don't

[kim carnes]

I have never watched WSU (and won't outside of situations like this) but they didn't look like they play harder than average in today's game. maybe a little below average hardness if anything.

they don't

Statistically they had like the best defense in the NCAA and they're very rough looking offensively but no, they don't play hard.

[sys]

they play hard.  there's no way they can have that defense without playing hard.

[kso_FAN]

Oh they play hard. And angry.  Defensive numbers don't lie about that.

But more importantly VanVleet and Baker were really, really good college basketball players.

[michigancat]

I did not realize they had the #1 AdjD. Makes Angel's shredding of them even more impressive.

[MakeItRain]

They have a great coach who has always been a good defensive coach and they have very good players. Making them the play hard all-stars is demeaning to what they are and what they've accomplished. I hate Wichita State, they don't play harder than anyone else, they're just better than most.

If you think playing hard is a measurable outcome, you have to think that every single one of their opponents play just as hard to beat their assess, they're no Cinderella.

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It is a great time to get on the shocker train if you plan to honor fatty by buying all your new gear at dillon's.

[Dugout DickStone]

I have never watched WSU (and won't outside of situations like this) but they didn't look like they play harder than average in today's game. maybe a little below average hardness if anything.

I'm watching Kentucky play just as hard right this moment

[michigancat]

They have a great coach who has always been a good defensive coach and they have very good players. Making them the play hard all-stars is demeaning to what they are and what they've accomplished. I hate Wichita State, they don't play harder than anyone else, they're just better than most.

If you think playing hard is a measurable outcome, you have to think that every single one of their opponents play just as hard to beat their assess, they're no Cinderella.

I think "playing hard" is a skill that can be recruited for, developed, and taught, even though it's basically impossible to measure, (kind of like "ball handling ability"). And I think WSU does play hard. But as you and FAN have mentioned, they've recruited and developed some fantastic college basketball players at the same time and Marshall is a great coach. To me, saying they play hard is an endorsement of Marshall's coaching ability and skills of players like VanVleet and Baker, not a knock.

[Skipper44]

to me "play hard" stuff applies more to the undersized posts WSU manages to get great d and rebounding out of

[kso_FAN]

They have a great coach who has always been a good defensive coach and they have very good players. Making them the play hard all-stars is demeaning to what they are and what they've accomplished. I hate Wichita State, they don't play harder than anyone else, they're just better than most.

If you think playing hard is a measurable outcome, you have to think that every single one of their opponents play just as hard to beat their assess, they're no Cinderella.

I think "playing hard" is a skill that can be recruited for, developed, and taught, even though it's basically impossible to measure, (kind of like "ball handling ability"). And I think WSU does play hard. But as you and FAN have mentioned, they've recruited and developed some fantastic college basketball players at the same time and Marshall is a great coach. To me, saying they play hard is an endorsement of Marshall's coaching ability and skills of players like VanVleet and Baker, not a knock.

Exactly.

I've never thought playing hard meant you were some group of try hards. I think it means taking talent and maximizing their ability and doing things like forcing turnovers and winning the boards.

This type of play is why I loved Frank and his teams. They were consistent there. Marshall's as well. And Brad's was the same when I watched the other night.

Granted, I think guys like Self and Cal do the same, they just have more talent to work with.