No wannbeheers allowed in female restrooms

[gatoveintisiete]

Lol at Mir arguing with renocat  , kick his ass Mir.

[renocat]

Most articles I read said this ordinance covered access to public facilities, and would have required anyone to use the public restroom or locker rooms of the gender they identify with.  This was also required for businesses with 15 or more people.  The argument that was made by the opposition was the fear sex molesters  could enter women restrooms under a false guise and attack or ogle women.  I believe this likely would not happen, and it is too bad people are hurt by the no vote.  We should have more gender nuetral bathrooms with signage.  Then you know the ramifications of entering such a bathroom.   People believe certain basic private rights like going to the crapper with the same gender should stay the same.  Respectfully, 2/3 of Houston agreed.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Most articles I read said this ordinance covered access to public facilities, and would have required anyone to use the public restroom or locker rooms of the gender they identify with.  This was also required for businesses with 15 or more people.  The argument that was made by the opposition was the fear sex molesters  could enter women restrooms under a false guise and attack or ogle women.  I believe this likely would not happen, and it is too bad people are hurt by the no vote.  We should have more gender nuetral bathrooms with signage.  Then you know the ramifications of entering such a bathroom.   People believe certain basic private rights like going to the crapper with the same gender should stay the same.  Respectfully, 2/3 of Houston agreed.

You are still logged in as renocat.

[renocat]

I am the I am.

[MakeItRain]

Most articles I read said this ordinance covered access to public facilities, and would have required anyone to use the public restroom or locker rooms of the gender they identify with.  This was also required for businesses with 15 or more people.  The argument that was made by the opposition was the fear sex molesters  could enter women restrooms under a false guise and attack or ogle women.  I believe this likely would not happen, and it is too bad people are hurt by the no vote.  We should have more gender nuetral bathrooms with signage.  Then you know the ramifications of entering such a bathroom.   People believe certain basic private rights like going to the crapper with the same gender should stay the same.  Respectfully, 2/3 of Houston agreed.

I don't know what these articles were but you could have saved time by reading the ballot question, its 57 words long, that's like half of the length of your post.

[renocat]

What was the final vote?  Why did Lance Berman oppose the ordinance?   Why were so many people duped and misled?   

[star seed 7]

liberal media 

[MakeItRain]

What was the final vote?  Why did Lance Berman oppose the ordinance?   Why were so many people duped and misled?

People are clearly stupid and believe what they are told instead of taking the time to do any research about what they're voting for. It's common knowledge that the two biggest groups pouring money into the opposition were anti gay groups and they simply lied about what the ordinance said.

I don't give a crap about Lance Berkman, the ability to hit a baseball doesn't translate into someone that anyone should listen to when it comes to anything not related to hitting a baseball. Should we care about his views on species conservation too, maybe third world poverty? He is clearly a moron or a bigot.

Finally, civil rights should not be subject to popular vote. Literally every single significant civil rights advancement in the history of this country have come from legislation or from the gavel of a judge, this won't be different. The general public couldn't even be trusted to give rights to the handicapped, congress had to.

[renocat]

I am not convinced that the right to enter bathroom you want to enter is a civil right, but may be in time strong passionate folks like MIR will cause a.seachange of support.  The.argument for same.sex.marriage was swayed by the appeal to fair play and decent humanity.  It does not appear that world has ended as I and others feared.   Calling people who disagree stupid and bigots only illicit a fight.   I think voting for such issues is not wrong, or better, have elected.reps pass laws like.Congress did with ADA or.the civil rights act.   Local elections I agree can become ugly and unfair.

[MakeItRain]

I am not convinced that the right to enter bathroom you want to enter is a civil right, but may be in time strong passionate folks like MIR will cause a.seachange of support.  The.argument for same.sex.marriage was swayed by the appeal to fair play and decent humanity.  It does not appear that world has ended as I and others feared.   Calling people who disagree stupid and bigots only illicit a fight.   I think voting for such issues is not wrong, or better, have elected.reps pass laws like.Congress did with ADA or.the civil rights act.   Local elections I agree can become ugly and unfair.

Why do you keep talking about bathrooms when it comes to this issue, the only people who brought it up were fear mongers who wanted to perpetuate a lie to scare people. And yes, if you have to drum up a lie to garner support to deny a group of people their civil rights you are bigot. If you have a strong opinion about denying someone rights based on what someone told you and not the actual facts you are either a bigot or stupid, it can't be anything else.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I think the reality of the situation is that the overwhelming majority of people in Houston, Texas, the US, North America and the world think it's really rough ridin' weird to take pretending to be the opposite sex as far as the trans people do, and have no sympathy for it.

[MakeItRain]

I think the reality of the situation is that the overwhelming majority of people in Houston, Texas, the US, North America and the world think it's really rough ridin' weird to take pretending to be the opposite sex as far as the trans people do, and have no sympathy for it.

I can rock with this, at least it's dealing with honest feelings instead of the mythical "I don't want some boy to walk into a bathroom and wave his wang in my daughter's face."

[renocat]

This is a link to the HERO ordinance that was adopted by the Houston city council in May 2014.  The recent election was about repealing the ordinance.  Houstonians voted 62% to repeal.
https://archive.org/stream/equal_rights_ordinance/equal_rights_ordinance_djvu.txt
This is a long ordinance.  It classified who civil rights applied to, including gender identification.  This ordinance went past protections from federal and state laws.  A city can extend rights to additional person under the concept of home rule.  This is done by action of the governing body or electorate action.  What Houston did was fine.
The electorate decided to vote to repeal the ordinance.  I concede the measure on the ballot was likely short, but much information was in the public square about what was in the ordinance.  The ordinance has a section on discrimination and denying public access to public accommodations.
A bathroom is a public accommodation.  Opposition used a practice of liberal progressives who use vagueness of a law to get what they want.  Progressive use legal actions.  The opponents used hyperbole to push for the repeal of this ordinance.  They realize that liberal progressives will take such laws and use them for the basis of attacking traditional norms.
Houston or even Renoland can pass such local ordinance, and extend rights as they so define.  So unless a court establishes a right for gender identification, voting is the only way to establish such a local law.  Many cities have done so.  Anyone who wants such an ordinance should have the fortitude to explain why an ordinance is needed and convince others.  Same sex marriage proponents had a simple argument that has a majority support now.  I do not support gender identification as a civil right, but would except it if it is the rule of law.

[MakeItRain]

This is a link to the HERO ordinance that was adopted by the Houston city council in May 2014.  The recent election was about repealing the ordinance.  Houstonians voted 62% to repeal.
https://archive.org/stream/equal_rights_ordinance/equal_rights_ordinance_djvu.txt
This is a long ordinance.  It classified who civil rights applied to, including gender identification.  This ordinance went past protections from federal and state laws.  A city can extend rights to additional person under the concept of home rule.  This is done by action of the governing body or electorate action.  What Houston did was fine.
The electorate decided to vote to repeal the ordinance.  I concede the measure on the ballot was likely short, but much information was in the public square about what was in the ordinance.  The ordinance has a section on discrimination and denying public access to public accommodations.
A bathroom is a public accommodation.  Opposition used a practice of liberal progressives who use vagueness of a law to get what they want.  Progressive use legal actions.  The opponents used hyperbole to push for the repeal of this ordinance.  They realize that liberal progressives will take such laws and use them for the basis of attacking traditional norms.
Houston or even Renoland can pass such local ordinance, and extend rights as they so define.  So unless a court establishes a right for gender identification, voting is the only way to establish such a local law.  Many cities have done so.  Anyone who wants such an ordinance should have the fortitude to explain why an ordinance is needed and convince others.  Same sex marriage proponents had a simple argument that has a majority support now.  I do not support gender identification as a civil right, but would except it if it is the rule of law.

Run a CTRL+F on that and type in "bathroom," then "restroom," then "locker room," then "shower."