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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2015, 11:08:52 PM »
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2015, 12:09:06 AM »
The running game and stud kicker.

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2015, 08:32:56 AM »
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2015, 08:38:13 AM »
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2015, 08:40:18 AM »
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.

You don't think Snyder would kick a field goal in the third if we were down 28-0?

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2015, 08:42:24 AM »

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

Man, our defense sucks ass.  we couldn't even hold the opponent from ever even having an opportunity to score!!

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2015, 08:42:28 AM »
Belittling a shutout is some high level dumbassery. Good grief, Yard Dog...

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2015, 08:44:47 AM »
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.

You don't think Snyder would kick a field goal in the third if we were down 28-0?

No, only a dipshit would kick a field goal in the 3rd quarter down 28-0.

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2015, 09:34:31 AM »

Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.

You don't think Snyder would kick a field goal in the third if we were down 28-0?

No, only a dipshit would kick a field goal in the 3rd quarter down 28-0.
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Positives from the game
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2015, 10:08:44 AM »
Well, TCU did do exactly that against us a couple years ago.

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2015, 10:52:33 AM »
Well, TCU did do exactly that against us a couple years ago.

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2015, 01:12:33 PM »
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2015, 01:29:03 PM »
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.


I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points.

I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out. 

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2015, 01:43:08 PM »
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.


I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points.

I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out. 

Except for you. You'd look at a team with a shutout loss and say, "well, they were in field goal range twice and elected not to kick a field goal. So, you know, not really a shut out".

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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2015, 02:57:39 PM »
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.


I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points.

I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out. 

Except for you. You'd look at a team with a shutout loss and say, "well, they were in field goal range twice and elected not to kick a field goal. So, you know, not really a shut out".

Well lucky for those teams that get a shutout that I wont have anything to do with that decision. It isn't very far fetched that a team would rather get points since the talking point is that no matter what level of sports shutouts are hard to come by. So they wouldn't have their name plastered with some embarrassingly rare event. 
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Re: Positives from the game
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2015, 04:40:10 PM »
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.


I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points.

I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out.

Not exactly the same thing, but this reminded me of the really ugly K-State/KU game in 2005 that we won 12-3. KU had a chance to kick a short FG in the last couple of minutes to cover the spread, but Mangino went for it on 4th down instead. Their donors were pissed and ours were  :kstategrad: