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Quote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 01:52:40 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 09:54:42 AMQuote from: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AMShutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout. Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.
Quote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 09:54:42 AMQuote from: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AMShutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout. Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Quote from: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AMShutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.
Quote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 03:42:22 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 01:52:40 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 09:54:42 AMQuote from: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AMShutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout. Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.
Quote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 11:08:52 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 03:42:22 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 01:52:40 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 09:54:42 AMQuote from: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AMShutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout. Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two. because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.
Quote from: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 08:32:56 AMQuote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 11:08:52 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 03:42:22 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 01:52:40 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 09:54:42 AMQuote from: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AMShutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout. Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two. because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.
because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on September 09, 2015, 08:38:13 AMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 08:32:56 AMQuote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 11:08:52 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 03:42:22 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 01:52:40 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 09:54:42 AMQuote from: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AMShutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout. Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two. because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.You don't think Snyder would kick a field goal in the third if we were down 28-0?
Quote from: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 08:40:18 AMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on September 09, 2015, 08:38:13 AMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 08:32:56 AMQuote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 11:08:52 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 03:42:22 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 01:52:40 PMQuote from: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 09:54:42 AMQuote from: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AMShutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout. Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two. because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.You don't think Snyder would kick a field goal in the third if we were down 28-0?No, only a dipshit would kick a field goal in the 3rd quarter down 28-0.
Well, TCU did do exactly that against us a couple years ago.
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.
Quote from: Stevesie60 on September 09, 2015, 01:12:33 PMYard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it. I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points. I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out.
Quote from: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 01:29:03 PMQuote from: Stevesie60 on September 09, 2015, 01:12:33 PMYard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it. I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points. I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out. Except for you. You'd look at a team with a shutout loss and say, "well, they were in field goal range twice and elected not to kick a field goal. So, you know, not really a shut out".