Not sure if this has been razed but maybe Webber should consider

[Mixed-Nutz]

Shane's FT% has decrease about 10% per year. 

[slobber]

i've always wondered if kstate could get some engineering class at kstate to study bramlage and all of the fans on the ceiling and then rig them in some kind of way that would force the ball towards the inside of the hoop on the kstate offense side of the court.

rick you've had some bad ideas in the past (starting a restaurant called surprises where the menu changes every single day is just one of those bad ideas that im thinking of right now) but this is by far the worst one.

daris's creativity is one of the best things we got going for us. I am pretty sure I responded to the "Surprises" idea with a $ pledge, because that idea is gold.

[MakeItRain]

having the team line up and shoot free throws at the beginning and end of practice.  When I played high school hoops back in the early ninties the team would all stand in a line and we would take turns shooting a free throw.  I'm guessing that each player would get at least 8-9 shots each practice.  This could really reap some big gains in the FG % department come march madness time.  Does anyone have coach Webbers email address I may send him an email and suggest this.

Thoughts? 

(before anyone gives me any grief, I'd guess we shot well over 60% from the line in high school which was a huge improvement for us because early in the year we shot poorly but that was because we weren't lining up an shooting so many free throws every game.

Coach also may want to make it fun and have them play a few games of knock out from the free throw line.  Sometimes with kids you have to trick them into practicing hard and a fun game like knock out (aka lightning) can be the ticket.

Wabash Station may be the dumbest message board in all the www

They had a thread a few years back about free throw shooting and I think the consensus reached was that the players needed to bend at the knees a little more during the shooting process.

The year we were 1st in the nation in FTs attempted and 2nd in makes they were having routine fits about our FT percentage.  I tried to explain to them about the makes and FTr but they weren't having it at all.

[kso_FAN]

The year we were 1st in the nation in FTs attempted and 2nd in makes they were having routine fits about our FT percentage.  I tried to explain to them about the makes and FTr but they weren't having it at all.

If there is one advanced stat that "traditional" basketball fans do not get, its FT rate. Its like explaining physics to a frog.

[#LIFE]

I think I've figured out why we shoot free throws so poorly, especially at home.  A noisy
    gym, suddenly, becomes stone cold silent, and you could hear a pin drop, just as our guys
    start to shoot.  I think it adds pressure, by putting so much emphasis on the shot. I bet
    they would shoot a better percentage if the noise just continues.

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

Guys, when I played HS basketball I was really good at getting to the line, but only shot 60%. I practiced those effers all the time. Free throws are 100% mental.

[Reboulet]

Spradling has missed 8 FTs this season, which is as many as he missed all of last season.

13-14    19-27    .704
12-13    51-59    .864
11-12    73-89    .820
10-11    52-63    .825

If you're a slow guard who can't create his own shots, with a 3P% hovering around 30%, you could at least hit your free throws.

[WillieWatanabe]

i was never better than 55% myself. just didn't bend my knees enough i guess.

[yoga-like_abana]

granny style bros

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

in high school we would always line up at the end of practice and every person would shoot 2 FTs at a time. for every FT someone missed, we ran a suicide. if you made both of your free throws, you were excused and didn't have to run the suicides. there were 14 people on the team. did this until every person had made both of their free throws. 

[Kat Kid]

The year we were 1st in the nation in FTs attempted and 2nd in makes they were having routine fits about our FT percentage.  I tried to explain to them about the makes and FTr but they weren't having it at all.

If there is one advanced stat that "traditional" basketball fans do not get, its FT rate. Its like explaining physics to a frog.

If ADv people cared.  They would make a stat called: PPG from FT or something.  Then you could use it to show that it is correlated with FTR and not FT%.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

in high school we would always line up at the end of practice and every person would shoot 2 FTs at a time. for every FT someone missed, we ran a suicide. if you made both of your free throws, you were excused and didn't have to run the suicides. there were 14 people on the team. did this until every person had made both of their free throws. 

oh man and guys there was this kid named devin who sucked at free throws. it probably took him 8 times minimum to make both of his FTs so wed all be like "damnit devin! make your free throws! i wanna go home!" 

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

in high school we would always line up at the end of practice and every person would shoot 2 FTs at a time. for every FT someone missed, we ran a suicide. if you made both of your free throws, you were excused and didn't have to run the suicides. there were 14 people on the team. did this until every person had made both of their free throws. 

oh man and guys there was this kid named devin who sucked at free throws. it probably took him 8 times minimum to make both of his FTs so wed all be like "damnit devin! make your free throws! i wanna go home!" 

facebook telling me that devin works the night shift at UPS right now. shouldn't have been so hard on him 

[MakeItRain]

in high school we would always line up at the end of practice and every person would shoot 2 FTs at a time. for every FT someone missed, we ran a suicide. if you made both of your free throws, you were excused and didn't have to run the suicides. there were 14 people on the team. did this until every person had made both of their free throws. 

oh man and guys there was this kid named devin who sucked at free throws. it probably took him 8 times minimum to make both of his FTs so wed all be like "damnit devin! make your free throws! i wanna go home!" 

Your basketball coach sounds like a complete moron

[kso_FAN]

The year we were 1st in the nation in FTs attempted and 2nd in makes they were having routine fits about our FT percentage.  I tried to explain to them about the makes and FTr but they weren't having it at all.

If there is one advanced stat that "traditional" basketball fans do not get, its FT rate. Its like explaining physics to a frog.

If ADv people cared.  They would make a stat called: PPG from FT or something.  Then you could use it to show that it is correlated with FTR and not FT%.

To be fair, the ADV stats guru (Dean Oliver) estimated the FT rate portion of the four factors to be around 15% contributing to winning/losing. I think the points factor of FT rate is very important, but to me its much more than that. First, its a great indicator of the aggressiveness of your offense, ie. does your offense seek to attack the rim/get the ball in the paint or does it seek to mainly create jump shots. Second, a high FT rate puts pressure on a defense because it also correlates with getting your opponent into foul trouble which changes the way they defend you.

All that said, FT% still has importance. If you have a great FT rate like we did against No Colorado (55.9%) but only make 48.5% it becomes a detriment because you are "wasting" possessions. Same with the Ole Miss game, we had a fantastic FT rate of 65.4% (partially due to fouling), but only made 55.9%, so we made a game that should have been a comfortable win close. Against SD we didn't have a great FT rate (32.2%) and magnified that by only making 50%, especially by missing 5 of our last 8 attempts.

Also, this is where %PTs from 2s, 3s, and FTs comes into play. All of those games our %PTs from FTs was around 48% of our FT rate. I think in many games this percentage isn't a big deal, but in a close game your %PTs from FTs better be over half (52-55%) of your FT rate to maximize your FT rate. And the higher your FT rate the more important this ratio becomes because you are relying more on PTs from the FT line.

[Mixed-Nutz]

The year we were 1st in the nation in FTs attempted and 2nd in makes they were having routine fits about our FT percentage.  I tried to explain to them about the makes and FTr but they weren't having it at all.

If there is one advanced stat that "traditional" basketball fans do not get, its FT rate. Its like explaining physics to a frog.

If ADv people cared.  They would make a stat called: PPG from FT or something.  Then you could use it to show that it is correlated with FTR and not FT%.

To be fair, the ADV stats guru (Dean Oliver) estimated the FT rate portion of the four factors to be around 15% contributing to winning/losing. I think the points factor of FT rate is very important, but to me its much more than that. First, its a great indicator of the aggressiveness of your offense, ie. does your offense seek to attack the rim/get the ball in the paint or does it seek to mainly create jump shots. Second, a high FT rate puts pressure on a defense because it also correlates with getting your opponent into foul trouble which changes the way they defend you.

All that said, FT% still has importance. If you have a great FT rate like we did against No Colorado (55.9%) but only make 48.5% it becomes a detriment because you are "wasting" possessions. Same with the Ole Miss game, we had a fantastic FT rate of 65.4% (partially due to fouling), but only made 55.9%, so we made a game that should have been a comfortable win close. Against SD we didn't have a great FT rate (32.2%) and magnified that by only making 50%, especially by missing 5 of our last 8 attempts.

Also, this is where %PTs from 2s, 3s, and FTs comes into play. All of those games our %PTs from FTs was around 48% of our FT rate. I think in many games this percentage isn't a big deal, but in a close game your %PTs from FTs better be over half (52-55%) of your FT rate to maximize your FT rate. And the higher your FT rate the more important this ratio becomes because you are relying more on PTs from the FT line.

Wish AVD Stats would separate regular game free throws and end of the game strategic free throws. They are two completely different things.

[slucat]

The year we were 1st in the nation in FTs attempted and 2nd in makes they were having routine fits about our FT percentage.  I tried to explain to them about the makes and FTr but they weren't having it at all.

If there is one advanced stat that "traditional" basketball fans do not get, its FT rate. Its like explaining physics to a frog.

If ADv people cared.  They would make a stat called: PPG from FT or something.  Then you could use it to show that it is correlated with FTR and not FT%.

To be fair, the ADV stats guru (Dean Oliver) estimated the FT rate portion of the four factors to be around 15% contributing to winning/losing. I think the points factor of FT rate is very important, but to me its much more than that. First, its a great indicator of the aggressiveness of your offense, ie. does your offense seek to attack the rim/get the ball in the paint or does it seek to mainly create jump shots. Second, a high FT rate puts pressure on a defense because it also correlates with getting your opponent into foul trouble which changes the way they defend you.

All that said, FT% still has importance. If you have a great FT rate like we did against No Colorado (55.9%) but only make 48.5% it becomes a detriment because you are "wasting" possessions. Same with the Ole Miss game, we had a fantastic FT rate of 65.4% (partially due to fouling), but only made 55.9%, so we made a game that should have been a comfortable win close. Against SD we didn't have a great FT rate (32.2%) and magnified that by only making 50%, especially by missing 5 of our last 8 attempts.

Also, this is where %PTs from 2s, 3s, and FTs comes into play. All of those games our %PTs from FTs was around 48% of our FT rate. I think in many games this percentage isn't a big deal, but in a close game your %PTs from FTs better be over half (52-55%) of your FT rate to maximize your FT rate. And the higher your FT rate the more important this ratio becomes because you are relying more on PTs from the FT line.

Wish AVD Stats would separate regular game free throws and end of the game strategic free throws. They are two completely different things.

On a somewhat related note, I wish the "strategic" FT would be called as Intentional when there is no effort to go for the ball.  Call them what they are.  Teams rarely win when they are fouling in the last minute to make up points, all it does is drag out games.  The fouls are intentional, call them as such.

[kso_FAN]

Wish AVD Stats would separate regular game free throws and end of the game strategic free throws. They are two completely different things.

Some have studied it: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/why_i_dont_believe_in_clutchness

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/pressure

[Mixed-Nutz]

Wish AVD Stats would separate regular game free throws and end of the game strategic free throws. They are two completely different things.

Some have studied it: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/why_i_dont_believe_in_clutchness

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/pressure

I just think strategic free throws have nothing to do with a persons ability to get to the line. For example Will sucks at getting at the line but has a FTR of 49.1. That is completely bullshit. Also Will picking up fouls late are less important then say Westicles picking up fouls to get us into the bonus. Even for how bad where are at free throws it is still the most efficient part of our offense. <--- Assumption

[kso_FAN]

Wish AVD Stats would separate regular game free throws and end of the game strategic free throws. They are two completely different things.

Some have studied it: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/why_i_dont_believe_in_clutchness

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/pressure

I just think strategic free throws have nothing to do with a persons ability to get to the line. For example Will sucks at getting at the line but has a FTR of 49.1. That is completely bullshit. Also Will picking up fouls late are less important then say Westicles picking up fouls to get us into the bonus. Even for how bad where are at free throws it is still the most efficient part of our offense. <--- Assumption

That makes sense. Did you read both of those? I do think he makes some good points.

Also, Will's FT rate is a product of him not being aggressive in getting/taking shots. I'd say its much more that than strategic FT shooting.

[ChiComCat]

Wish AVD Stats would separate regular game free throws and end of the game strategic free throws. They are two completely different things.

Some have studied it: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/why_i_dont_believe_in_clutchness

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/pressure

Good articles.  I think his take is only looking at it as "what do you do with the information?"  While I agree that's a tough question to answer, I don't think that makes the stat meaningless.  As a fan, it would be a fun stat to see.  There are certainly players that excel in clutch moments, just like there are people in any occupation that do their best under pressure.