Rebounding

[sonofdaxjones]

Also, can someone give dax a primer on OR%? He would seem like less of a dumbass if someone did and he didn't ignore it.

I know exactly what it is, but how rough ridin' difficult is it to comprehend that there were exactly NINE chances to get an offensive rebound in the second half at Iowa state . . . NINE.

OR% makes the number of rebounding opportunities irrelevant.

So the total number of rebounds available is not relevant?

Interesting cRusty.

I calculate 12 total rebounds available on the offensive end for K-State in the 2nd half, K-State got 2, for a 16.6% OR%.   Not good, but not surprising considering who played the entire 2nd half.   What am I missing?   

[michigancat]

Also, can someone give dax a primer on OR%? He would seem like less of a dumbass if someone did and he didn't ignore it.

I know exactly what it is, but how rough ridin' difficult is it to comprehend that there were exactly NINE chances to get an offensive rebound in the second half at Iowa state . . . NINE.

OR% makes the number of rebounding opportunities irrelevant.

So the total number of rebounds available is not relevant?

Interesting cRusty.

I calculate 12 total rebounds available on the offensive end for K-State in the 2nd half, K-State got 2, for a 16.6% OR%.   Not good, but not surprising considering who played the entire 2nd half.   What am I missing?   

yes, total number of rebounds is completely irrelevant. I really don't know why you keep bringing up second half offensive rebounding. Was someone complaining about our total number of OR's in the second half? If so, they're stupid, too.

[sonofdaxjones]

Okay, cRusty, total number of available rebounds is not relevant.

[michigancat]

Okay, cRusty, total number of available rebounds is not relevant.

If you weren't being facetious, I'd say you've got it. but you don't, because you don't understand OR%.

[Dr Rick Daris]

[edited by me]
If this team can maintain our current Big 12 numbers in eFG% and TO% differential (+3% in both) we will still win 12 or 13 games.

  I'm really surprised at that projection.  I just don't see us getting enough rebounds to buoyed out fg with 2nd chance points.   

I don't think the trend of 2nd chance points will continue. I don't think we're going to be a great oboarding team, but I think dboarding will improve enough so that its not the detriment it was in the Iowa State game.

Honestly, I think we are overreacting to the OU and ISU games. There is no doubt in that in both of those games we were very poor on the offensive glass and we got beat badly in 2nd chance points in both (+15 and +16 respectively). However, we've played  other decent teams (UM, @GW, Zag, UF, OSU, @WVU, KU) and in no other game against decent (~Top 100 kenpom) competition were we beat significantly on the offensive glass or 2nd chance points. Plus, against OSU we had a significant margin (+14).

Again, I think its a major overreaction to think that this is a trend, there are ebbs and flows like this with statistics in nearly every season, and we're in the midst of one of those.

also people have been trained to expect the insane amount of oboarding that happened under frank to be the norm. it isn't. kstate oboarding will be worse under weber over the next few years and we should adjust our expectations accordingly. that's not a shot at weber (although i'm sure some idiots will take it as that), it's just a fact.

[kso_FAN]

also people have been trained to expect the insane amount of oboarding that happened under frank to be the norm. it isn't. kstate oboarding will be worse under weber over the next few years and we should adjust our expectations accordingly. that's not a shot at weber (although i'm sure some idiots will take it as that), it's just a fact.

Yep, different strokes for different folks.

[michigancat]

also people have been trained to expect the insane amount of oboarding that happened under frank to be the norm. it isn't. kstate oboarding will be worse under weber over the next few years and we should adjust our expectations accordingly. that's not a shot at weber (although i'm sure some idiots will take it as that), it's just a fact.

Yep, different strokes for different folks.

x2. That was a well reasoned post.

[MakeItRain]

We also changed coaches and rebounding is something that can be both coached and affected by the coach's philosophy.

The people you are talking to here won't listen to you. These dumbasses think if you just indiscriminately throw your hands at the rim every chance you get, you'll get lots of rebounds. All effort Rusty, nothing else.

[sonofdaxjones]

Okay, cRusty, total number of available rebounds is not relevant.

If you weren't being facetious, I'd say you've got it. but you don't, because you don't understand OR%.

Yeah, I pretty much do.

[sonofdaxjones]

We also changed coaches and rebounding is something that can be both coached and affected by the coach's philosophy.

The people you are talking to here won't listen to you. These dumbasses think if you just indiscriminately throw your hands at the rim every chance you get, you'll get lots of rebounds. All effort Rusty, nothing else.

You're so edgy MIR, I mean golly, you just can't flail around at the ball and rim and get rebounds?  Man, the insight!!

[ednksu]

We also changed coaches and rebounding is something that can be both coached and affected by the coach's philosophy.

The people you are talking to here won't listen to you. These dumbasses think if you just indiscriminately throw your hands at the rim every chance you get, you'll get lots of rebounds. All effort Rusty, nothing else.

You're so edgy MIR, I mean golly, you just can't flail around at the ball and rim and get rebounds?  Man, the insight!!

Dude he went to this camp this one time in middle school when someone who could rebound told him so.

[michigancat]

We also changed coaches and rebounding is something that can be both coached and affected by the coach's philosophy.

The people you are talking to here won't listen to you. These dumbasses think if you just indiscriminately throw your hands at the rim every chance you get, you'll get lots of rebounds. All effort Rusty, nothing else.

Don't forget about how tall your team is. The tallest high-effort team always gets the most rebounds.

[ednksu]

We also changed coaches and rebounding is something that can be both coached and affected by the coach's philosophy.

The people you are talking to here won't listen to you. These dumbasses think if you just indiscriminately throw your hands at the rim every chance you get, you'll get lots of rebounds. All effort Rusty, nothing else.

Don't forget about how tall your team is. The tallest high-effort team always gets the most rebounds.

you just can't make these kinds of posts up folks

[Powercat Posse]

I never thought we would rebound on the offensive end as well as we did under Frank.

At the same time, there are other teams that played an easier non con schedule that don't get 43% OR like we did

Three  non con games against top 10 teams plus a game at GW.  That's not crappy competition and we got 37% OR in those gms

I'm totally fine and don't expect even those numbers (37%).  What I can't accept is what we have seen the past 5 games, which is 26.5% OR


It sucks that Isu got 14 2nd chance Pts in the 2nd half and that proved costly. But us allowing 31.9 OR% in league play isn't terrible.  I would consider 30% to be very good, so 31.9 is acceptible

[sys]

2.  Jo has horrible hands and is lazy . . . .  The kid never has really put it all together outside of a few stretches here and there, and likely never will.   Straight from a AAA+ source, probably lacks the mental and intellectual capacity to ever really get it.   Probably costing himself hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions by his lack of effort and engagment.

 

[Rage Against the McKee]

yes, total number of rebounds is completely irrelevant. I really don't know why you keep bringing up second half offensive rebounding. Was someone complaining about our total number of OR's in the second half? If so, they're stupid, too.

Sample size is never completely irrelevant in statistics. I don't think 9 opportunities is enough to draw any real statistical conclusions about offensive rebounding in a game. It's way too easy for 1 or 2 rebounds to skew the numbers high or low.

[MakeItRain]

We also changed coaches and rebounding is something that can be both coached and affected by the coach's philosophy.

The people you are talking to here won't listen to you. These dumbasses think if you just indiscriminately throw your hands at the rim every chance you get, you'll get lots of rebounds. All effort Rusty, nothing else.

Don't forget about how tall your team is. The tallest high-effort team always gets the most rebounds.

yes, I forgot that one, good call

[MakeItRain]

Rebounding is much easier when you run your offense inside of 20 feet. I bet the points in the paint were also way up tonight. That goes hand-in-hand with getting O boards.

[kso_FAN]

Rebounding is much easier when you run your offense inside of 20 feet. I bet the points in the paint were also way up tonight. That goes hand-in-hand with getting O boards.

PTs in the Paint; 42-26 Cats.
PTs off TOs; 33-8 Cats.
2nd Chance; 12-4 Cats.

Dominating.

[Powercat Posse]

Last 4 games =

KState 40.0% OR
+17 in Reb (+4.3/gm)
+10 ORs

Rebound and winning TO margain (+4.3/gm in those 4 games) ....... deadly combo as well as this team shoots the ball

[Belvis Noland]

Fellas, fellas, save the in fighting for after the drilling in Lawrence!

[EMAWzified]

2.  Jo has horrible hands and is lazy . . . .  The kid never has really put it all together outside of a few stretches here and there, and likely never will.   Straight from a AAA+ source, probably lacks the mental and intellectual capacity to ever really get it.   Probably costing himself hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions by his lack of effort and engagment.

Of course, because he's black (without intellectual capacity) and Mexican (lazy). Early frontrunner for  of the year.