RIP JYC :-(

[SuperG]

Hello Pussy Cats!

This rebounding trend has me down.




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[wetwillie]

FTR is buried in the adjacent plot.

[kso_FAN]

It is a bit sad, but I'll take whatever wins.

I can live without FT rate. And so can K-State.

But the rebounding is unacceptable and this team is looking at a 9-9/10-8ish Big 12 and the 8/9 line (or worse) if that doesn't improve.

[MakeItRain]

It is a bit sad, but I'll take whatever wins.

I can live without FT rate. And so can K-State.

But the rebounding is unacceptable and this team is looking at a 9-9/10-8ish Big 12 and the 8/9 line (or worse) if that doesn't improve.

The rebounding won't improve, its systematic. They'll be games when the rebounding numbers will be much better, even some when the rebounding numbers will look good but this will be a statement much more about who we play instead of what we're doing.

[Cire]

It is a bit sad, but I'll take whatever wins.

I can live without FT rate. And so can K-State.

But the rebounding is unacceptable and this team is looking at a 9-9/10-8ish Big 12 and the 8/9 line (or worse) if that doesn't improve.

The rebounding won't improve, its systematic. They'll be games when the rebounding numbers will be much better, even some when the rebounding numbers will look good but this will be a statement much more about who we play instead of what we're doing.

Also how much of this is due to Shane playing the four

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The rebounding won't improve, its systematic. They'll be games when the rebounding numbers will be much better, even some when the rebounding numbers will look good but this will be a statement much more about who we play instead of what we're doing.

This is idiotic.  Unless you're only talking OR, then it's just lazy pandering and bullshit.

This piss poor effort on the d boards yesterday was exacerbated by the fact that their forwards shot so many 3s.

[MakeItRain]

It is a bit sad, but I'll take whatever wins.

I can live without FT rate. And so can K-State.

But the rebounding is unacceptable and this team is looking at a 9-9/10-8ish Big 12 and the 8/9 line (or worse) if that doesn't improve.

The rebounding won't improve, its systematic. They'll be games when the rebounding numbers will be much better, even some when the rebounding numbers will look good but this will be a statement much more about who we play instead of what we're doing.

Also how much of this is due to Shane playing the four

some of it is but Shane isn't a poor rebounder

[Poster formerly known as jthutch]

The rebounding won't improve, its systematic. They'll be games when the rebounding numbers will be much better, even some when the rebounding numbers will look good but this will be a statement much more about who we play instead of what we're doing.

This is idiotic.  Unless you're only talking OR, then it's just lazy pandering and bullshit.

This piss poor effort on the d boards yesterday was exacerbated by the fact that their forwards shot so many 3s.

I agree the rebounding Sucks but lowa St is difficult because they Spread you out and make it hard to box them out. All 1O players are out of the Iane when the shot goes up that makes it hard to box out.

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[MakeItRain]

The rebounding won't improve, its systematic. They'll be games when the rebounding numbers will be much better, even some when the rebounding numbers will look good but this will be a statement much more about who we play instead of what we're doing.

This is idiotic.  Unless you're only talking OR, then it's just lazy pandering and bullshit.

This piss poor effort on the d boards yesterday was exacerbated by the fact that their forwards shot so many 3s.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25791.msg727914#msg727914

not a small sample size we're talking about. Dial down the faux rage, I didn't say anything about how it should be, I just pointed out what we are now. I don't like it but if we're a below average rebounding, and poor FTr team and we win I'll deal.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The rebounding won't improve, its systematic. They'll be games when the rebounding numbers will be much better, even some when the rebounding numbers will look good but this will be a statement much more about who we play instead of what we're doing.

This is idiotic.  Unless you're only talking OR, then it's just lazy pandering and bullshit.

This piss poor effort on the d boards yesterday was exacerbated by the fact that their forwards shot so many 3s.

I agree the rebounding Sucks but lowa St is difficult because they Spread you out and make it hard to box them out. All 1O players are out of the Iane when the shot goes up that makes it hard to box out.

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I guess I assumed when you said systemic and won't improve, you were talking about k-state and the season not one game.

I think the spread out makes it difficult to rebound argument is bogus and counterintuitive. Put a body on the guy your guarding and run to the ball faster.  Most of their oboards were taken right from our players hands.

[Powercat Posse]

The rebounding issues are much more of a concern than the FTR issues
Yes having Shane at the 4 hurts some because Shane is not a great offensive rebounder ( he has done a great job of late with DRs)

We have given up a few more ORs than I would like but our opp OR% is only 31.9 in Big12 play compared to 30.6% in the non con

Now our OR% went from 42.1 in non-con to 28.7 in B12 action. Yes the competition is better but we showed early on we are capable of attacking the glass.  Our 15.7 ORs per game in noncon were top 5 in the nation.

Our shooting % has improved but we are also taking a lot of jumpshots, so the oppourtunity is there for long rebounds. For whatever reason our attitude about being aggressive has dropped off, especially with the bigs.

[MakeItRain]

The rebounding won't improve, its systematic. They'll be games when the rebounding numbers will be m better, even so when t rebounding numbers will look good but this will be a statement much more about who we play instead of what we're doing.

This is idiotic.  Unless you're only talking OR, then it's just lazy pandering and bullshit.

This piss poor effort on the d boards yesterday was exacerbated by the fact that their forwards shot so many 3s.

I agree the rebounding Sucks but lowa St is difficult because they Spread you out and make it hard to box them out. All 1O players are out of the Iane when the shot goes up that makes it hard to box out.

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I guess I assumed when you said systemic and won't improve, you were talking about k-state and the season not one game.

I think the spread out makes it difficult to rebound argument is bogus and counterintuitive. Put a body on the guy your guarding and run to the ball faster.  Most of their oboards were taken right from our players hands.

Um I was talking about the season. As for yesterday, I've explained this like 4 times already but I'll do it again. It isn't just getting spread out, we got spread and allowed penetration. We spent the entire 2nd half rotating help. If a team has the ability to penetrate and pass the ball well the defense will be scrambling therefore unable to either guard the three or find a body. Equating rebounding to just effort is amazingly simple. This isn't the rec where you are playing against 4A rejects.

[MakeItRain]

Our shooting % has improved but we are also taking a lot of jumpshots, so the oppourtunity is there for long rebounds. For whatever reason our attitude about being aggressive has dropped off, especially with the bigs.

Our bigs, frankly we're talking about two guys here, are in consistent foul trouble, you think their foul trouble is a by product of not being aggressive? Our bigs are apparently racking up loads of passive fouls.

Earlier in the week people bitched about all of our over the back calls, now we aren't aggressive enough?

[Powercat Posse]

I dont re-call a bunch of fouls when we go over the back.    And when i speak of the bigs, i should probably focus in on Gip and JO and also include Nino because he is someone who has shown abilty to get ORs. 

In conf play Rod/Shane/Angel/Tay/Will combine for basicly the same number of ORs as they did in the non-con. (Conf numbers a little bit better)

Now if you look at JO Gip and Nino=
Non Con -- those 3 combined for 47.8 minutes and 9.3 ORs (per game)
Conf --those 3 are combining for 48.0 min and 3.2 ORs (per game)

The other 2 bigs, DJamer and Diaz=
NonCon-- combined for 23.5 min and 3.8 ORs (per game)
Conf -- Combined for 9.1 min and 0.7 ORs (per game)


Those are the numbers.  Draw your own conclusions

[MakeItRain]

 Hey Ken, the conclusion is what I already said. Your stats show that we don't rebound as well against better competition. Isn't that obvious?

[Powercat Posse]

Competition definately plays a factor.   But Michigan, Gonzaga and Fla are all top 10 teams who also rebound the ball pretty well and ...

4 bigs plus Nino -- 23 ORs in 196 minutes in those 3 games (7.7 ORs, 65.3 min per game ave). its only 3 games, so small sample size but i can live with that production

[Stevesie60]

I'd like to see how much other Big 12 teams' stats drop off once they start conference play. Obviously they drop off a bit, but I can't imagine there's as big of discrepancy in the Big 12 as our offensive rebounds.