Players win ships; not coaches

[shivvyman]

2 and 3 stars will never win a natty. Some games when crap aint working you need talent. Ksu has no speed or physicality past starting 22.

[_33]

Well depth certainly seemed to be an issue with the injuries. But for the most part I think you're wrong.

[EMAWzified]

Yeah, that explains the Oregon thing.

[ednksu]

2 and 3 stars will never win a natty. Some games when crap aint working you need talent. Ksu has no speed or physicality past starting 22.

this is what Michigan doesn't understand.  We don't have all 2s and 3s.  In fact we have some damn good players that we either backed into or lucked into.  That is why K-State only does this once in a blue moon.

[Pendergast]

Still could finish top 3 bro, that's pretty good.

[shivvyman]

Still could finish top 3 bro, that's pretty good.

Aint the natty.....

[michigancat]

2 and 3 stars will never win a natty. Some games when crap aint working you need talent. Ksu has no speed or physicality past starting 22.

this is what Michigan doesn't understand.  We don't have all 2s and 3s.  In fact we have some damn good players that we either backed into or lucked into.  That is why K-State only does this once in a blue moon.

Who says the next season like this has to be done w/ 2 or 3 stars?

Idiot.

[shivvyman]

You are a tard. Sams isn't going to put this team on his back. Our d losed everybody but a gimpy zim. Good news is snyder keeps on goin

[michigancat]

You are a tard. Sams isn't going to put this team on his back. Our d losed everybody but a gimpy zim. Good news is snyder keeps on goin

Me? I'm not saying we're going to contend for a national title next year.

[ednksu]

2 and 3 stars will never win a natty. Some games when crap aint working you need talent. Ksu has no speed or physicality past starting 22.

this is what Michigan doesn't understand.  We don't have all 2s and 3s.  In fact we have some damn good players that we either backed into or lucked into.  That is why K-State only does this once in a blue moon.

Who says the next season like this has to be done w/ 2 or 3 stars?

Idiot.

Low K-state under Snyder IQ

[michigancat]

2 and 3 stars will never win a natty. Some games when crap aint working you need talent. Ksu has no speed or physicality past starting 22.

this is what Michigan doesn't understand.  We don't have all 2s and 3s.  In fact we have some damn good players that we either backed into or lucked into.  That is why K-State only does this once in a blue moon.

Who says the next season like this has to be done w/ 2 or 3 stars?

Idiot.

Low K-state under Snyder IQ

I don't believe Snyder will be the coach at Kansas State forever and ever. I ALSO THINK HE CAN CHANGE! AND HE HAS!!!

[Rage Against the McKee]

If some pieces fall into place on the defensive end of the football (BIG IF) next year's team could very well be better than this team. The argument made by shivvyman would be a whole lot better if the coaching staff didn't melt down in this game at least 15 minutes before the players did. This was a failure on LHC Bill Snyder first and foremost.

[Pett]

Coaches got scared and abandoned the run too early

[Boondock Poonhound]

If some pieces fall into place on the defensive end of the football (BIG IF) next year's team could very well be better than this team. The argument made by shivvyman would be a whole lot better if the coaching staff didn't melt down in this game at least 15 minutes before the players did. This was a failure on LHC LHC Bill Snyder first and foremost.

Agreed.
pehaps LFIQ here, but we all feel we abandoned the run and panicked too early. There just wasn't running lanes open, and CK seemed content on staying in the pocket instead of running for first downs, keeping the defense honest, adn moving the chains. There were plenty of opports to run, and didn't. this is most dissappointing.

[shivvyman]

If some pieces fall into place on the defensive end of the football (BIG IF) next year's team could very well be better than this team. The argument made by shivvyman would be a whole lot better if the coaching staff didn't melt down in this game at least 15 minutes before the players did. This was a failure on LHC Bill Snyder first and foremost.

Missed tackles missed blocks missed catches terribke routes........yep blame it on Snyder

[Rage Against the McKee]

If some pieces fall into place on the defensive end of the football (BIG IF) next year's team could very well be better than this team. The argument made by shivvyman would be a whole lot better if the coaching staff didn't melt down in this game at least 15 minutes before the players did. This was a failure on LHC Bill Snyder first and foremost.

Missed tackles missed blocks missed catches terribke routes........yep blame it on Snyder

Players aren't dropping passes and Klein is not throwing interceptions if LHC Bill Snyder doesn't decide to abandon his running game, which was working just fine, btw, in favor of trying to outscore an uptempo offense. Snyder compounded every mistake made on the field. If anything was proven tonight, it's that LHC Bill Snyder absolutely cannot handle success and will never win a national championship. Better luck with the next coach, I guess.

[sonofdaxjones]

Winning National Championships is really hard even for teams that are loaded with talent and have good coaches. 

I am way more disappointed that a chance to win the conference outright was reduced significantly.