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Fictional Memoirs
« on: June 24, 2012, 10:47:58 AM »

What do the resident Obama apologists think about his memoir's being full of lies, half-truths and generally being the bullshit it appears to be?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/303776/obama-s-great-american-novel-mark-steyn


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Re: Fictional Memoirs
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2012, 10:48:39 AM »
Isn't that how all memoirs are?

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2012, 10:51:02 AM »
Isn't that how all memoirs are?

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2012, 11:08:14 AM »
It's difficult to separate what happened from what seemed to happen. What seems to happen becomes its own happening and has to be told that way. The angles of vision are skewed. The pictures get jumbled. You tend to miss a lot. And then afterward, when you go to tell about it, there is always that surreal seemingness, which makes the story seem untrue, but which in fact represents the hard and exact truth as it seemed.

It wasn't a question of deceit. Just the opposite; he wanted to heat up the truth, to make it burn so hot that you would feel exactly what he felt.

A thing may happen and be a total lie; another thing may not happen and be truer than the truth. That's what fiction is for. It's for getting at the truth when the truth isn't sufficient for the truth. Fiction is the lie that helps us understand the truth. A lie, sometimes, can be truer than the truth, which is why fiction gets written.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2012, 11:11:23 AM »
It's difficult to separate what happened from what seemed to happen. What seems to happen becomes its own happening and has to be told that way. The angles of vision are skewed. The pictures get jumbled. You tend to miss a lot. And then afterward, when you go to tell about it, there is always that surreal seemingness, which makes the story seem untrue, but which in fact represents the hard and exact truth as it seemed.

It wasn't a question of deceit. Just the opposite; he wanted to heat up the truth, to make it burn so hot that you would feel exactly what he felt.

A thing may happen and be a total lie; another thing may not happen and be truer than the truth. That's what fiction is for. It's for getting at the truth when the truth isn't sufficient for the truth. Fiction is the lie that helps us understand the truth. A lie, sometimes, can be truer than the truth, which is why fiction gets written.
So I was right?

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2012, 11:12:14 AM »
It's difficult to separate what happened from what seemed to happen. What seems to happen becomes its own happening and has to be told that way. The angles of vision are skewed. The pictures get jumbled. You tend to miss a lot. And then afterward, when you go to tell about it, there is always that surreal seemingness, which makes the story seem untrue, but which in fact represents the hard and exact truth as it seemed.

It wasn't a question of deceit. Just the opposite; he wanted to heat up the truth, to make it burn so hot that you would feel exactly what he felt.

A thing may happen and be a total lie; another thing may not happen and be truer than the truth. That's what fiction is for. It's for getting at the truth when the truth isn't sufficient for the truth. Fiction is the lie that helps us understand the truth. A lie, sometimes, can be truer than the truth, which is why fiction gets written.
So I was right?

That's how it seemed.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2012, 11:25:09 AM »
It's difficult to separate what happened from what seemed to happen. What seems to happen becomes its own happening and has to be told that way. The angles of vision are skewed. The pictures get jumbled. You tend to miss a lot. And then afterward, when you go to tell about it, there is always that surreal seemingness, which makes the story seem untrue, but which in fact represents the hard and exact truth as it seemed.

It wasn't a question of deceit. Just the opposite; he wanted to heat up the truth, to make it burn so hot that you would feel exactly what he felt.

A thing may happen and be a total lie; another thing may not happen and be truer than the truth. That's what fiction is for. It's for getting at the truth when the truth isn't sufficient for the truth. Fiction is the lie that helps us understand the truth. A lie, sometimes, can be truer than the truth, which is why fiction gets written.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2012, 12:40:04 PM »
But what if it seems like a duck?

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2012, 01:13:11 PM »
It's difficult to separate what happened from what seemed to happen. What seems to happen becomes its own happening and has to be told that way. The angles of vision are skewed. The pictures get jumbled. You tend to miss a lot. And then afterward, when you go to tell about it, there is always that surreal seemingness, which makes the story seem untrue, but which in fact represents the hard and exact truth as it seemed.

It wasn't a question of deceit. Just the opposite; he wanted to heat up the truth, to make it burn so hot that you would feel exactly what he felt.

A thing may happen and be a total lie; another thing may not happen and be truer than the truth. That's what fiction is for. It's for getting at the truth when the truth isn't sufficient for the truth. Fiction is the lie that helps us understand the truth. A lie, sometimes, can be truer than the truth, which is why fiction gets written.

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2012, 02:17:44 PM »
Who are the resident Obama apologist? 


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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2012, 11:31:04 PM »
national review?  sounds like a website that would have swastikas in each corner.
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2012, 06:56:34 PM »
national review?  sounds like a website that would have swastikas in each corner.

The author of the book outing B.O. as a liar (yet again) is a lib writer from the NYT. Marc Steyn is a well known (and damn good) syndicated conservative columnist. As far as I can tell the National Review is a news aggregator.
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2012, 08:15:42 PM »
national review?  sounds like a website that would have swastikas in each corner.

As far as I can remember the National Review seems to be a news aggregator.

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