Fired high-major coaches that found success later

[michigancat]

Bob Knight wasn't horrible at Texas Tech.

Chings had a qualification about it being a performance based firing. His thread was much better that way

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[Paul Moscow]

Mike Davis had  four 20-win in six seasons at UAB.

Buuuuut he was just fired (again) after going 15-16.

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amaker

[SleepFighter]

amaker

The superior Chings thread not only qualified the firings as win/loss related, but also restricted the future success to other high-major programs.

[nicname]

By Chingon's parameters there are very few, and even those that have seemingly had success haven't been at their current jobs long enough to see if that success is fleeting.  Sutton, Smith and now BCG getting fired from Kentucky are the best candidates for success but Smith is waning now at Minn, Sutton i think was fired more for the sanctions than performance, and BCG has a hard row to hoe at TTU. 

The jury is still out on Lavin and Gottfried. 

It is hard to find examples because the number of guys hired at major schools after being fired from one is so small. Of course this isn't news to anyone reading this thread. 

I find it humorous, in a way, because people are claiming that Weber is a "safe" hire.  Well, it doesn't seem like too many major schools in the last 20 years or so have felt the idea was very safe. 

I hope it works out.  I'm not against oscar.  I'm not going to root for him to fail. 

[kougar24]

Sutton. His final season at Kentucky he was 13-19.

wow, i think _Fan just punched mi/sfcat right in the face with this one.

...Eddie Sutton? Did Kentucky fire him?

[Rage Against the McKee]

By Chingon's parameters there are very few, and even those that have seemingly had success haven't been at their current jobs long enough to see if that success is fleeting.  Sutton, Smith and now BCG getting fired from Kentucky are the best candidates for success but Smith is waning now at Minn, Sutton i think was fired more for the sanctions than performance, and BCG has a hard row to hoe at TTU. 

The jury is still out on Lavin and Gottfried. 

It is hard to find examples because the number of guys hired at major schools after being fired from one is so small. Of course this isn't news to anyone reading this thread. 

I find it humorous, in a way, because people are claiming that Weber is a "safe" hire.  Well, it doesn't seem like too many major schools in the last 20 years or so have felt the idea was very safe. 

I hope it works out.  I'm not against oscar.  I'm not going to root for him to fail.

Smith wasn't fired, but he was probably going to be.

[Dr Rick Daris]

By Chingon's parameters there are very few, and even those that have seemingly had success haven't been at their current jobs long enough to see if that success is fleeting.  Sutton, Smith and now BCG getting fired from Kentucky are the best candidates for success but Smith is waning now at Minn, Sutton i think was fired more for the sanctions than performance, and BCG has a hard row to hoe at TTU. 

The jury is still out on Lavin and Gottfried. 

It is hard to find examples because the number of guys hired at major schools after being fired from one is so small. Of course this isn't news to anyone reading this thread. 

I find it humorous, in a way, because people are claiming that Weber is a "safe" hire.  Well, it doesn't seem like too many major schools in the last 20 years or so have felt the idea was very safe. 

I hope it works out.  I'm not against oscar.  I'm not going to root for him to fail.

it's the safe hire for currie because he knew that he could pull it off. no other fan base in america would have allowed something like this.

also, people can give the lavin and gottfreid stuff all they want, but those coaches took time off in between jobs. the tubby smith thing isn't comparable either because the guy went from the best head coaching job in america to minnesota and he wasn't even fired from kentucky. illinois to kstate is not that different and from a historical standpoint, kstate is the better of the two. i seriously can not even think of anything that is comparable to what we just saw.

kstateo.

[CHONGS]

It was a great fiscal hire.

oscar Weber can never really demand a raise or use another job as leverage.   oscar Weber will coach here for what ever money we give him for as long as we will have him.  We can keep oscar's salary fixed just right so basketball barely squeaks out a profit.

[Dr Rick Daris]

seriously though, when was the last time that a fairly successful major bball school fired a head coach for performance related issues only and a different fairly successful major bball school immediately hired that recently fired coach? i'm not asking if it's every worked out well before. i'm asking if it's ever happend. ever.

[michigancat]

seriously though, when was the last time that a fairly successful major bball school fired a head coach for performance related issues only and a different fairly successful major bball school immediately hired that recently fired coach? i'm not asking if it's every worked out well before. i'm asking if it's ever happend. ever.

I think the closest was Stan Heath. And South Florida was complete dogshit.

[Dr Rick Daris]

seriously though, when was the last time that a fairly successful major bball school fired a head coach for performance related issues only and a different fairly successful major bball school immediately hired that recently fired coach? i'm not asking if it's every worked out well before. i'm asking if it's ever happend. ever.

I think the closest was Stan Heath. And South Florida was complete dogshit.

well if that's the closest, then it's not even close to a comparable situation. is there anything more compareable than this?

kansas state had been to the tournament four out of the last five years, had been to an elite eight within the last three, was averaging 12k a game.

south florida had been to the tournamet twice in school history with the most recent trip being 15 years before heath was hired.

we just saw something that has never, ever, ever been done before in the history of major d1 college basketball. kstateo.

[EllToPay]

Sutton. His final season at Kentucky he was 13-19.

wow, i think _Fan just punched mi/sfcat right in the face with this one.

...Eddie Sutton? Did Kentucky fire him?

I can read posts from bbs'ers i've blocked.

[nicname]

seriously though, when was the last time that a fairly successful major bball school fired a head coach for performance related issues only and a different fairly successful major bball school immediately hired that recently fired coach? i'm not asking if it's every worked out well before. i'm asking if it's ever happend. ever.

I think the closest was Stan Heath. And South Florida was complete dogshit.

well if that's the closest, then it's not even close to a comparable situation. is there anything more compareable than this?

kansas state had been to the tournament four out of the last five years, had been to an elite eight within the last three, was averaging 12k a game.

south florida had been to the tournamet twice in school history with the most recent trip being 15 years before heath was hired.

we just saw something that has never, ever, ever been done before in the history of major d1 college basketball. kstateo.

The most mindboggling way to look at it. 

Team A Has been to the NCAA 4 of 5 years.  Has consistently been a top 25 program.  Earned a 2 seed just two years ago. This team just exceeded expectations in a rebuilding year that saw them win three games over top ten opponents.

Team B Has seen their program fall in a fairly even trajectory from lofty heights, culminating in a horrid season this year that saw them fire their coach after his team (talented team) collapsed after a great start, losing 12 of 14 games to end the season. 

Team C Is a historically bad program with few NCAA appearances, and rare success.  They just fired their coach after a losing season where the team won just two conference games in a relatively weak major conference. 

Team A then pushed out their coach, who left to take a job at Team C and replaced him 5 days later with the coach who just got fired from Team B.   

It is almost unfathomable.

[Kat Kid]

seriously though, when was the last time that a fairly successful major bball school fired a head coach for performance related issues only and a different fairly successful major bball school immediately hired that recently fired coach? i'm not asking if it's every worked out well before. i'm asking if it's ever happend. ever.

I think the closest was Stan Heath. And South Florida was complete dogshit.

well if that's the closest, then it's not even close to a comparable situation. is there anything more compareable than this?

kansas state had been to the tournament four out of the last five years, had been to an elite eight within the last three, was averaging 12k a game.

south florida had been to the tournamet twice in school history with the most recent trip being 15 years before heath was hired.

we just saw something that has never, ever, ever been done before in the history of major d1 college basketball. kstateo.

The most mindboggling way to look at it. 

Team A Has been to the NCAA 4 of 5 years.  Has consistently been a top 25 program.  Earned a 2 seed just two years ago. This team just exceeded expectations in a rebuilding year that saw them win three games over top ten opponents.

Team B Has seen their program fall in a fairly even trajectory from lofty heights, culminating in a horrid season this year that saw them fire their coach after his team (talented team) collapsed after a great start, losing 12 of 14 games to end the season. 

Team C Is a historically bad program with few NCAA appearances, and rare success.  They just fired their coach after a losing season where the team won just two conference games in a relatively weak major conference. 

Team A then pushed out their coach, who left to take a job at Team C and replaced him 5 days later with the coach who just got fired from Team B.   

It is almost unfathomable.

This is exactly the problem.  It is infuriating.

[Dr Rick Daris]

seriously though, when was the last time that a fairly successful major bball school fired a head coach for performance related issues only and a different fairly successful major bball school immediately hired that recently fired coach? i'm not asking if it's every worked out well before. i'm asking if it's ever happend. ever.

I think the closest was Stan Heath. And South Florida was complete dogshit.

well if that's the closest, then it's not even close to a comparable situation. is there anything more compareable than this?

kansas state had been to the tournament four out of the last five years, had been to an elite eight within the last three, was averaging 12k a game.

south florida had been to the tournamet twice in school history with the most recent trip being 15 years before heath was hired.

we just saw something that has never, ever, ever been done before in the history of major d1 college basketball. kstateo.

The most mindboggling way to look at it. 

Team A Has been to the NCAA 4 of 5 years.  Has consistently been a top 25 program.  Earned a 2 seed just two years ago. This team just exceeded expectations in a rebuilding year that saw them win three games over top ten opponents.

Team B Has seen their program fall in a fairly even trajectory from lofty heights, culminating in a horrid season this year that saw them fire their coach after his team (talented team) collapsed after a great start, losing 12 of 14 games to end the season. 

Team C Is a historically bad program with few NCAA appearances, and rare success.  They just fired their coach after a losing season where the team won just two conference games in a relatively weak major conference. 

Team A then pushed out their coach, who left to take a job at Team C and replaced him 5 days later with the coach who just got fired from Team B.   

It is almost unfathomable.

This is exactly the problem.  It is infuriating.

yeah. it has never ever ever happened before in a hundred years of major college basketball from what i can tell. kstateo.

[mcmwcat]

seriously though, when was the last time that a fairly successful major bball school fired a head coach for performance related issues only and a different fairly successful major bball school immediately hired that recently fired coach? i'm not asking if it's every worked out well before. i'm asking if it's ever happend. ever.

we all wanted 'thinking outside-the-box' right?  right? 

[mcmwcat]

[Skipper44]

It its like we dove back in to the box so hard we went through the side and ended up outside of it again

[michigancat]

I think the closest comparison is Mike Davis, who just got fired at UAB. He took Indiana to the National title game in his second year and then went to just two NCAA tourneys the next 4. I know UAB should be viewed as a worse job as KSU, but maybe it's not.