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Re: thoughts on Mizzou...
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2011, 01:04:24 PM »
For the most part, Baylor did an excellent job of playing the zone read inside out, knowing that Hubert wasn't going to consistently get the edge for more than a few yards. I almost wanted Thompson or Lockett to line up in the backfield  on one of those plays just to see what would happen if we ran that with some elite speed.

Baylor forced the give almost everytime by having the DE play Klein, which eventually was going to happen. And to be fair to Hubert there is a level of skill involved by the RB in running stretch read; you have to get to the mesh with the QB running laterally, squeeze the football enough so you can take it on the give, yet not so much you cause a fumble if the QB keeps it. All the while you need to be near full speed by the time you get the ball if it is a give because the run action is a sweep. Its tougher than it looks and takes multiple reps in practice. I just hope Pease can get into the mix there because he is a bigger back and has just as much if not more explosion as Hubert does. I gues all I am saying is give Pease a chance.

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« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2011, 01:22:48 PM »
For the most part, Baylor did an excellent job of playing the zone read inside out, knowing that Hubert wasn't going to consistently get the edge for more than a few yards. I almost wanted Thompson or Lockett to line up in the backfield  on one of those plays just to see what would happen if we ran that with some elite speed.

Baylor forced the give almost everytime by having the DE play Klein, which eventually was going to happen. And to be fair to Hubert there is a level of skill involved by the RB in running stretch read; you have to get to the mesh with the QB running laterally, squeeze the football enough so you can take it on the give, yet not so much you cause a fumble if the QB keeps it. All the while you need to be near full speed by the time you get the ball if it is a give because the run action is a sweep. Its tougher than it looks and takes multiple reps in practice. I just hope Pease can get into the mix there because he is a bigger back and has just as much if not more explosion as Hubert does. I gues all I am saying is give Pease a chance.

Oh, I've been pleasantly surprised by both Hubert and Pease, and think they can both do the job. I was simply saying it would have been nice to take a shot with the stretch read with a true speedster since Baylor was going to give us the edge. It wouldn't have been a true read in that Kline is going to give the ball on it every time.

And maybe Hubert is faster than I'm giving him credit for and Baylor's defense was just good enough to stretch out the play long enough to limit his effectiveness.  :dunno:

Was just tossing it out there as a wrinkle to the stretch read package. Will be interested to see how many other DEs can be as disciplined as Baylor's were Saturday.

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Re: thoughts on Mizzou...
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2011, 01:25:14 PM »
For the most part, Baylor did an excellent job of playing the zone read inside out, knowing that Hubert wasn't going to consistently get the edge for more than a few yards. I almost wanted Thompson or Lockett to line up in the backfield  on one of those plays just to see what would happen if we ran that with some elite speed.

Baylor forced the give almost everytime by having the DE play Klein, which eventually was going to happen. And to be fair to Hubert there is a level of skill involved by the RB in running stretch read; you have to get to the mesh with the QB running laterally, squeeze the football enough so you can take it on the give, yet not so much you cause a fumble if the QB keeps it. All the while you need to be near full speed by the time you get the ball if it is a give because the run action is a sweep. Its tougher than it looks and takes multiple reps in practice. I just hope Pease can get into the mix there because he is a bigger back and has just as much if not more explosion as Hubert does. I gues all I am saying is give Pease a chance.

Oh, I've been pleasantly surprised by both Hubert and Pease, and think they can both do the job. I was simply saying it would have been nice to take a shot with the stretch read with a true speedster since Baylor was going to give us the edge. It wouldn't have been a true read in that Kline is going to give the ball on it every time.

And maybe Hubert is faster than I'm giving him credit for and Baylor's defense was just good enough to stretch out the play long enough to limit his effectiveness.  :dunno:

Was just tossing it out there as a wrinkle to the stretch read package. Will be interested to see how many other DEs can be as disciplined as Baylor's were Saturday.

Seemed like they were waiting longer to commit to either Hubert or CK, and the play was getting stretched out horizontally, and before too long there was no room for Hubert to turn the corner.

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Re: thoughts on Mizzou...
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2011, 01:26:34 PM »
Oh, I've been pleasantly surprised by both Hubert and Pease, and think they can both do the job. I was simply saying it would have been nice to take a shot with the stretch read with a true speedster since Baylor was going to give us the edge. It wouldn't have been a true read in that Kline is going to give the ball on it every time.

And maybe Hubert is faster than I'm giving him credit for and Baylor's defense was just good enough to stretch out the play long enough to limit his effectiveness.  :dunno:

Was just tossing it out there as a wrinkle to the stretch read package. Will be interested to see how many other DEs can be as disciplined as Baylor's were Saturday.

I agree we'll need some wrinkles in the running game, particularly our option package. I won't be surprised to see us start blocking the DE and reading the ILB on stretch read.

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« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2011, 01:34:37 PM »
I gues all I am saying is give Pease a chance.

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Re: thoughts on Mizzou...
« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2011, 02:10:28 PM »
Does anyone else feel pretty comfortable with The Chamber to Harper?  Nope, just me?  :dunno: Well okay then.  :frown:

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« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2011, 02:12:59 PM »
what if Baylor is just that effin' good on offense and our D is better than the points and yards we gave up? I'd like to think so.

THe score is going to be lower against MU because MU will have a slower offensive pace....and we have the SchemeDoc.

Plus I think we'll play better offensively, I don't think we played really well on offense vs Baylor. Part of that was Baylor, but we made plenty of mistakes too.

Braden's hold.   :shakesfist:

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Re: thoughts on Mizzou...
« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2011, 02:19:08 PM »
what if Baylor is just that effin' good on offense and our D is better than the points and yards we gave up? I'd like to think so.

THe score is going to be lower against MU because MU will have a slower offensive pace....and we have the SchemeDoc.

Plus I think we'll play better offensively, I don't think we played really well on offense vs Baylor. Part of that was Baylor, but we made plenty of mistakes too.

Braden's hold.   :shakesfist:

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It was terrible, and I don't think he needed to do it, especially on one of Hubert's better runs of the day. Then after the INT I was 85% sure the game was over.

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Re: thoughts on Mizzou...
« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2011, 02:19:42 PM »
Does anyone else feel pretty comfortable with The Chamber to Harper?  Nope, just me?  :dunno: Well okay then.  :frown:

It's not awful I guess, although I told my breath and go like this every time CK drops back to pass

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Re: thoughts on Mizzou...
« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2011, 02:57:34 PM »
what if Baylor is just that effin' good on offense and our D is better than the points and yards we gave up? I'd like to think so.

THe score is going to be lower against MU because MU will have a slower offensive pace....and we have the SchemeDoc.

Plus I think we'll play better offensively, I don't think we played really well on offense vs Baylor. Part of that was Baylor, but we made plenty of mistakes too.

Mistakes like incomplete passes?  I'd agree with that, and I didn't think we played all that well, but for the most part we don't go backwards and we get very few penalties.  Three yards and a cloud of dust can work if you don't shoot yourself in the foot.

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Re: thoughts on Mizzou...
« Reply #60 on: October 03, 2011, 03:05:23 PM »
Will be interested to see how many other DEs can be as disciplined as Baylor's were Saturday.

Most of them will be until we prove we have a passing attack.

That should happen this weekend.