If UCONN wins tonight

[MeatSauce]

I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

I don't have time to look it up, but hasn't Roy Williams been crowned National Champion twice, at North Carolina in the last 6 years, with virtually the same resume?  If you could win 2 National Championships in 6 years at 1 school....that would really make a  24 year coaching career worthwhile, IMO.

[Brock Landers]

Before winning their 3rd one in 2008, I had KU on about the same level as Oklahoma State.  2 NC's but so long ago that most of their fans weren't even alive when it happened.

I feel you TrueBlue, it's a little unfair, but we are definitely in a "What have you done for me lately" society.

[Dugout DickStone]

Before winning their 3rd one in 2008, I had KU on about the same level as Oklahoma State.  2 NC's but so long ago that most of their fans weren't even alive when it happened.

I feel you TrueBlue, it's a little unfair, but we are definitely in a "What have you done for me lately" society.

this is the national perception.  The '08 win moved ku into the second level behind the real big timers.  Now, Uconn has moved from that second level, to the big timers.  Not exactly fair, but these are the times we live in.

[TrueBlueHawk]

Before winning their 3rd one in 2008, I had KU on about the same level as Oklahoma State.  2 NC's but so long ago that most of their fans weren't even alive when it happened.

I feel you TrueBlue, it's a little unfair, but we are definitely in a "What have you done for me lately" society.

this is the national perception.  The '08 win moved ku into the second level behind the real big timers.  Now, Uconn has moved from that second level, to the big timers.  Not exactly fair, but these are the times we live in.

I guess we shall just agree to disagree then.   

[Dugout DickStone]

Before winning their 3rd one in 2008, I had KU on about the same level as Oklahoma State.  2 NC's but so long ago that most of their fans weren't even alive when it happened.

I feel you TrueBlue, it's a little unfair, but we are definitely in a "What have you done for me lately" society.

this is the national perception.  The '08 win moved ku into the second level behind the real big timers.  Now, Uconn has moved from that second level, to the big timers.  Not exactly fair, but these are the times we live in.

I guess we shall just agree to disagree then.   

 

[mcmwcat]

maybe the greatest run in history of college hoops:

Wed Mar 9    40   Georgetown   W, 79-62   67        Neutral    23-9    
Thu Mar 10    4   Pittsburgh   W, 76-74   59        Neutral    24-9    
Fri Mar 11    11   Syracuse   W, 76-71   74   OT    Neutral    25-9    
Sat Mar 12    14   Louisville   W, 69-66   65        Neutral    26-9    
Thu Mar 17    103   Bucknell   W, 81-52   61        Neutral    27-9    
Sat Mar 19    23   Cincinnati   W, 69-58   58        Neutral    28-9    
Thu Mar 24    8   San Diego St.   W, 74-67   65        Semi-Away    29-9    
Sat Mar 26    24   Arizona   W, 65-63   59        Neutral    30-9    
Sat Apr 2    6   Kentucky   W, 56-55   63        Neutral    31-9    
Mon Apr 4    41   Butler   W, 53-41   57        Neutral    32-9    

[Emo EMAW]

maybe the greatest run in history of college hoops:

Wed Mar 9    40   Georgetown   W, 79-62   67        Neutral    23-9    
Thu Mar 10    4   Pittsburgh   W, 76-74   59        Neutral    24-9    
Fri Mar 11    11   Syracuse   W, 76-71   74   OT    Neutral    25-9    
Sat Mar 12    14   Louisville   W, 69-66   65        Neutral    26-9    
Thu Mar 17    103   Bucknell   W, 81-52   61        Neutral    27-9    
Sat Mar 19    23   Cincinnati   W, 69-58   58        Neutral    28-9    
Thu Mar 24    8   San Diego St.   W, 74-67   65        Semi-Away    29-9    
Sat Mar 26    24   Arizona   W, 65-63   59        Neutral    30-9    
Sat Apr 2    6   Kentucky   W, 56-55   63        Neutral    31-9    
Mon Apr 4    41   Butler   W, 53-41   57        Neutral    32-9    

That is frikkin amazing.  Even as I watched I didn't believe it.  Especially as shitty defense Kemba plays.  But he stepped it up last night.  Always seems to be in the right spot to get a long rebound.  Uncanny.

[Cartierfor3]

I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

you forgort to talk about Naismith. 

No I didnt.  Yeah he made the game, but what did he do for the basketball program itself outside being the only coach in school history with a losing record.

you forgot to talk about Wilt

[8manpick]

maybe the greatest run in history of college hoops:

Wed Mar 9    40   Georgetown   W, 79-62   67        Neutral    23-9    
Thu Mar 10    4   Pittsburgh   W, 76-74   59        Neutral    24-9    
Fri Mar 11    11   Syracuse   W, 76-71   74   OT    Neutral    25-9    
Sat Mar 12    14   Louisville   W, 69-66   65        Neutral    26-9    
Thu Mar 17    103   Bucknell   W, 81-52   61        Neutral    27-9    
Sat Mar 19    23   Cincinnati   W, 69-58   58        Neutral    28-9    
Thu Mar 24    8   San Diego St.   W, 74-67   65        Semi-Away    29-9    
Sat Mar 26    24   Arizona   W, 65-63   59        Neutral    30-9    
Sat Apr 2    6   Kentucky   W, 56-55   63        Neutral    31-9    
Mon Apr 4    41   Butler   W, 53-41   57        Neutral    32-9    

Wow. Seriously, Wow!

[TrueBlueHawk]

I know you purposefully put Kansas out of this because their is a deep hatred for us aound these parts, but so that the threads gets a healthy dose of reality I would like to add: Kansas.

State your case, because if the measuring stick in actual championships, the only one it can compete with is Michigan State...

Now, I guess ku has won a ton of regular season games but that counts a usually weak non-con and a conference that looks to be a little behind the BE.

You wouldn't compare ku to uconn or duke, right?

Weak non-con schedule? We had the 10th ranked SOS this year and the #1 RPI.

Sigh.. I can't believe I'm seriously going to state my case for this, but I suppose I shall.

3 National Championships (6th most). 5 Runner-Ups(5th most). 13 Final Fours(4th most). 22 Straight tournament appearances (most).  54 Conference Titles (7 in a row, most).  25 Conference Tournament Titles.  2,037 all-time wins (2nd most).  92 seasons with a winning record (most).  10 seasons with 30+wins (3rd most).  4 seasons with 35+wins (t-most).  20 first team all-americans (most).

Now go ahead and laugh all you want about us only having those 3 championships, but it is what it is and I am very proud to be able to claim even 3 (because of how the tournament format is set up in a onee-and-done fashion, not an excuse just stating that it doesn't necessarily pin the top teams in the NC game, see: Tonight) and especially one in the last 5 years.

Also, compare them to uconn? That's pretty humorous actually.  I'll applaud that.

you forgort to talk about Naismith. 

No I didnt.  Yeah he made the game, but what did he do for the basketball program itself outside being the only coach in school history with a losing record.

you forgot to talk about Wilt

Individuals do not make a program.

[Pete]

Most of the "who is the best" analysis that I have read typically starts in 1985 with the increase to 64 teams in the NCAA tournament.


KU is "in the conversation" because they have two titles since 1985, albeit lower on the list than UCONN, as Limestone points out.


Additionally, I think everyone would agree that all titles before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are not worthy of inclusion in ANY list...and if they are, it's typically by a racist...but sometimes by a special needs person. 

[TrueBlueHawk]

Most of the "who is the best" analysis that I have read typically starts in 1985 with the increase to 64 teams in the NCAA tournament.


KU is "in the conversation" because they have two titles since 1985, albeit lower on the list than UCONN, as Limestone points out.


Additionally, I think everyone would agree that all titles before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are not worthy of inclusion in ANY list...and if they are, it's typically by a racist...but sometimes by a special needs person. 

Whoa.. I am definitely neither a racist nor a special needs person, just a fan. 

[Emo EMAW]

special needs = validation?

[Pete]

Most of the "who is the best" analysis that I have read typically starts in 1985 with the increase to 64 teams in the NCAA tournament.


KU is "in the conversation" because they have two titles since 1985, albeit lower on the list than UCONN, as Limestone points out.


Additionally, I think everyone would agree that all titles before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are not worthy of inclusion in ANY list...and if they are, it's typically by a racist...but sometimes by a special needs person. 

Whoa.. I am definitely neither a racist nor a special needs person, just a fan. 

Then you'll certainly agree to omit the inclusion of "championships" before a giant portion of country's population were legally ensured the right to participate, right?

[Deez Nutz]

Most of the "who is the best" analysis that I have read typically starts in 1985 with the increase to 64 teams in the NCAA tournament.


KU is "in the conversation" because they have two titles since 1985, albeit lower on the list than UCONN, as Limestone points out.


Additionally, I think everyone would agree that all titles before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are not worthy of inclusion in ANY list...and if they are, it's typically by a racist...but sometimes by a special needs person. 

Whoa.. I am definitely neither a racist nor a special needs person, just a fan. 

Then you'll certainly agree to omit the inclusion of "championships" before a giant portion of country's population were legally ensured the right to participate, right?

Sadly, that also means that KSU will have to omit the inclusion of our 1959 national title when we finished that season ranked #1 in the country.  I know it sucks but it just goes to show we aren't just picking on KU around here.  You have to be objective about these things.

[mcmwcat]

maybe the greatest run in history of college hoops:

Wed Mar 9    40   Georgetown   W, 79-62   67        Neutral    23-9    
Thu Mar 10    4   Pittsburgh   W, 76-74   59        Neutral    24-9    
Fri Mar 11    11   Syracuse   W, 76-71   74   OT    Neutral    25-9    
Sat Mar 12    14   Louisville   W, 69-66   65        Neutral    26-9    
Thu Mar 17    103   Bucknell   W, 81-52   61        Neutral    27-9    
Sat Mar 19    23   Cincinnati   W, 69-58   58        Neutral    28-9    
Thu Mar 24    8   San Diego St.   W, 74-67   65        Semi-Away    29-9    
Sat Mar 26    24   Arizona   W, 65-63   59        Neutral    30-9    
Sat Apr 2    6   Kentucky   W, 56-55   63        Neutral    31-9    
Mon Apr 4    41   Butler   W, 53-41   57        Neutral    32-9    

this amazing streak almost gets Kemba kPOY  http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/your_2011_kpoy_jared_sullinger/

Kemba wasn't even in the top 10 as of March 9th.  http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/the_kpoy_the_almost_final_countdown/