NC State is now on the board . . .

[Panjandrum]

dunno, i mean they're better than kstate.

I don't disagree with anything you just said, but it's getting better.  If the TV deals pay as much as they say/think they will, and we get the practice facility done up right, and the OOD keeps developing it's reputation, it will continue moving up the list.

I'm not saying it's ever going to be a Top 20 job or anything like that, but at some point, we'll be able to put more money forth than some other schools out there.  The ACC's TV deal will pale in comparison to ours in about five years, so we'll have a little more cash and some new facilities to throw around.

I think there's something to be said about our willingness to worship you if you just compete for conference championships.  That has to give a coach some moment of pause.

[sys]

I'm not saying it's ever going to be a Top 20 job or anything like that, but at some point, we'll be able to put more money forth than some other schools out there.

not to attack you specifically, but i hate when people bring this stuff up.  every big-time school could afford to pay 5 million for a coach, most could afford a lot more.  texas could probably pay 20-30 million.  but they aren't going to just like i'm not going to take out a mortgage and buy a 50k pizza.  most people and organizations don't want to pay more than market value for anything, regardless of their ability to do so.

I think there's something to be said about our willingness to worship you if you just compete for conference championships.  That has to give a coach some moment of pause.

completely agree.

[Panjandrum]

I'm not saying it's ever going to be a Top 20 job or anything like that, but at some point, we'll be able to put more money forth than some other schools out there.

not to attack you specifically, but i hate when people bring this stuff up.  every big-time school could afford to pay 5 million for a coach, most could afford a lot more.  texas could probably pay 20-30 million.  but they aren't going to just like i'm not going to take out a mortgage and buy a 50k pizza.  most people and organizations don't want to pay more than market value for anything, regardless of their ability to do so.

None taken.  No one wants to pay more than market value for anything, and I completely agree with that.

The thing is that our ability to retain coaches at market value will increase.  Two years ago, I don't think we had room in the budget to pay market value for a good coach.  Now, I think we can scare some money together.

It just seemed like last year, when Martin's extension was being hammered out, we were looking under couch cushions for cash.  That could be completely untrue, and my observation on the situation could be completely false, but that was what I seemed to gather from our actions.

I guess my point is that I don't want money to be the thing that prevents us from keeping a good coach.  If someone wants to overbid (i.e. Oregon), you can't compete with that.  But as long as we aren't chasing absurd figures, and we're within the realm of reason, I would like to think/hope that we can at least keep up with the majority of the Jones'.

[sys]

None taken.  No one wants to pay more than market value for anything, and I completely agree with that.

The thing is that our ability to retain coaches at market value will increase.  Two years ago, I don't think we had room in the budget to pay market value for a good coach.  Now, I think we can scare some money together.

It just seemed like last year, when Martin's extension was being hammered out, we were looking under couch cushions for cash.  That could be completely untrue, and my observation on the situation could be completely false, but that was what I seemed to gather from our actions.

I guess my point is that I don't want money to be the thing that prevents us from keeping a good coach.  If someone wants to overbid (i.e. Oregon), you can't compete with that.  But as long as we aren't chasing absurd figures, and we're within the realm of reason, I would like to think/hope that we can at least keep up with the majority of the Jones'.

just tuck talk.

can, just may prefer not to.

[ksucrcoop]

So I live in Durham, NC and its pretty laughable how people from our sister school, NC State, view themselves in the ranks of college bball. They really think NC State is a top 20 - maybe top 15 - job and that they can pull any coach from a school not named UNC or Duke.

According to most of the sports radio hosts and callers around hear:
1.) Rick Barnes is their number choice.  I mean, who wants to coach at a fb school? (Also, cause he's a carolina boy and they think he'll come home like Roy...again it's a laughable comparison)
2.) Sean Miller from Arizona is next (Seriously?!?! Zona recruiting is >>>NC State)
3.) Mark Fox from Georgia is next. (Meh, this resonable)
4.) All other "up-in-comers"

As for Frank Martin, a quote from the radio on the way home from work today, "That guy is too crazy for ACC basketball. Do you think Coach K and Roy will allow that kind of craziness in our league?"

NC State plays ball in a facking hockey arena...god I hate the ACC.